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#1 Jun 7, 2018 1:14pm
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Trust the Process

If you look at PHI, BOS and GSW, they have proven that you build through the draft to develop a good core. While your core is still on rookie or RFA contracts, you should have enough cap room to sign a couple of FAs that can put you over the top. Of course, you still need a good GM and coach to create the right culture.

I think the Clips are on the right track with Tobias and the 2 draft picks. Austin, Wes and Gallo contracts will burn off soon enough. We still won't have a franchise-potential player who could attract FAs like a Porzingis or Greek.

Speaking of process, wouldn't it be ironic if PHI brings back Hinkie?

Jun 7, 2018 1:20pm
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I'll trust it more after we draft a few players that are real, sustainable long term pieces. Drafting well and integrating young players is something we should have been doing even when Paul and Griffin were here.
Jun 7, 2018 1:27pm
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mannycoon wrote:
I'll trust it more after we draft a few players that are real, sustainable long term pieces. Drafting well and integrating young players is something we should have been doing even when Paul and Griffin were here.

Agree. We were in win-now mode because of CP, but it wouldn't have killed us to develop a couple of guys on rookie contracts.

Jun 7, 2018 1:33pm
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This is what I was saying in my other post. They are setting up to build through the draft. Build around rookie contracts. When you have a bunch of good players on cheap rookie contracts like lets say boston, you then have cap room to sign big name guys like a gordon hayward, horford, and trade for kyrie. They showed this year that even without those guys, their young players were still really good. With 2 lottery picks this year, evans, thornwell, williams, and possibly wallace mixed in with team friendly contract for lou and maybe a team friendly deal next year for beverly, we're in a good position. The big kicker on how long this will take is if we can move gallo. 

Jun 7, 2018 2:24pm
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First step is attempting to get Porter Jr!!

Jun 7, 2018 3:18pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

mannycoon wrote:
I'll trust it more after we draft a few players that are real, sustainable long term pieces. Drafting well and integrating young players is something we should have been doing even when Paul and Griffin were here.

Agree. We were in win-now mode because of CP, but it wouldn't have killed us to develop a couple of guys on rookie contracts.

You can't develop them if you don't have them on the roster to begin with. Our drafting sucked under Doc.

Jun 7, 2018 4:11pm
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I'd trust the process more if Doc hadn't been gifted a contract extension that he didn't deserve. There's no reason to believe that he can or will develop our young talent.
Jun 7, 2018 4:28pm
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Sacramento, Orlando, Phoenix have all been lottery teams for the last decade and have nothing to show for it.  Sometimes it works.  Sometimes it doesn't.  Depends on if you get lucky in the draft or not.  Another way to go is to get young guys who have not blossomed yet from other teams.  Like Indiana got Sabonis and Oladipo from the Thunder.  If there is some guy on a team that we think can break out next year we should move one of our lottery picks to get that guy.

Jun 7, 2018 4:36pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Sacramento, Orlando, Phoenix have all been lottery teams for the last decade and have nothing to show for it.  Sometimes it works.  Sometimes it doesn't.  Depends on if you get lucky in the draft or not.  Another way to go is to get young guys who have not blossomed yet from other teams.  Like Indiana got Sabonis and Oladipo from the Thunder.  If there is some guy on a team that we think can break out next year we should move one of our lottery picks to get that guy.

OKC knows how to draft talent. SAS knows how to develop talent. SAC and ORL can do neither. Under the current regime, we have 2 great trades, 2 good G League call-ups. TBD on our draft picks. TBD on our ability to develop, unless you fault team for not developing Austin to an all star given he was #1 school boy and lottery pick out of Duke.
Jun 7, 2018 4:36pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Sacramento, Orlando, Phoenix have all been lottery teams for the last decade and have nothing to show for it.  Sometimes it works.  Sometimes it doesn't.  Depends on if you get lucky in the draft or not.  Another way to go is to get young guys who have not blossomed yet from other teams.  Like Indiana got Sabonis and Oladipo from the Thunder.  If there is some guy on a team that we think can break out next year we should move one of our lottery picks to get that guy.

OKC knows how to draft talent. SAS knows how to develop talent. SAC and ORL can do neither. Under the current regime, we have 2 great trades, 2 good G League call-ups. TBD on our draft picks. TBD on our ability to develop, unless you fault team for not developing Austin to an all star given he was #1 school boy and lottery pick out of Duke.
Jun 7, 2018 4:48pm
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Don't leave out the Memphis Grizz:

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  Totals Shooting Per Game Advanced
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2016 NBA 1 17 Wade Baldwin Vanderbilt University 40 485 144 54 66 .368 .259 .787 12.1 3.6 1.4 1.7 0.0 -0.004 -4.7 -0.3
2016 NBA 2 57 Wang Zhelin                                  
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2015 NBA 1 25 Jarell Martin Louisiana State University 142 2599 883 566 96 .436 .344 .763 18.3 6.2 4.0 0.7 2.7 .051 -3.8 -1.2
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2014 NBA 1 22 Jordan Adams University of California, Los Angeles 32 263 101 30 19 .402 .385 .607 8.2 3.2 0.9 0.6 0.4 .070 -0.5 0.1
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2013 NBA 2 41 Jamaal Franklin San Diego State University 24 174 42 25 9 .415 .462 1.000 7.3 1.8 1.0 0.4 0.0 -0.006 -5.4 -0.1
2013 NBA 2 55 Joffrey Lauvergne   208 2823 1159 789 180 .479 .285 .719 13.6 5.6 3.8 0.9 5.2 .089 -2.6 -0.4
2013 NBA 2 60 Janis Timma                                  
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2012 NBA 1 25 Tony Wroten University of Washington 145 3076 1604 363 437 .413 .231 .647 21.2 11.1 2.5 3.0 -1.3 -0.021 -4.1 -1.6
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2011 NBA 2 49 Josh Selby University of Kansas 38 296 83 20 34 .330 .143 .720 7.8 2.2 0.5 0.9 -0.7 -0.113 -10.1 -0.6
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2010 NBA 1 12 Xavier Henry University of Kansas 185 2905 1050 351 120 .406 .325 .635 15.7 5.7 1.9 0.6 0.8 .013 -5.1 -2.3
2010 NBA 1 25 Dominique Jones University of South Florida 80 741 246 114 144 .366 .095 .729 9.3 3.1 1.4 1.8 0.3 .017 -3.6 -0.3
2010 NBA 1 28 Greivis Vasquez University of Maryland 401 9520 3591 1021 1935 .418 .349 .817 23.7 9.0 2.5 4.8 12.6 .064 -1.5 1.1
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2009 NBA 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet University of Connecticut 224 2357 483 595 27 .567   .578 10.5 2.2 2.7 0.1 4.8 .099 -1.4 0.4
2009 NBA 1 27 DeMarre Carroll University of Missouri 487 11682 4319 2050 616 .436 .364 .738 24.0 8.9 4.2 1.3 26.1 .107 1.0 8.9
2009 NBA 2 36 Sam Young University of Pittsburgh 249 3966 1436 573 180 .442 .280 .742 15.9 5.8 2.3 0.7 5.2 .063 -2.9 -0.9

 

Jun 7, 2018 6:18pm
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T-Wolves too

Jun 7, 2018 9:00pm
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T-Wolves had two shots at Steph and passed. Memphis passed on Hardin. It's not just about having high picks or even luck, you have to have quality talent evaluators. I trust Jerry West.
Jun 8, 2018 6:40am
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Dyce wrote:
T-Wolves had two shots at Steph and passed. Memphis passed on Hardin. It's not just about having high picks or even luck, you have to have quality talent evaluators. I trust Jerry West.

Steph pulled a Kobe and manipulated the Wolves into not drafting him, otherwise they would have.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/06/19/lavar-ball-lonzo-ball-nba-draft-lakers-celtics-stephen-curry-father

Jun 8, 2018 8:35am
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This will be the very first draft under Ballmer where will have a first round pick without Doc as the GM. Let's see what happens.

Last year the new front office was able to turn one 2nd rounder into Thornwell and Evans, not terrible.

Jun 8, 2018 8:57am
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I'm not too excited over the importance of these draft picks.  12-13 picks rarely have impact players, it averages players with 12 PER and has about a 20% chance of ever being a starter.  So we're hoping the FO can do much better than average here if we expect these picks to be important to the franchise.

That's why I'd much rather the FO do one of the following:

1. convert the pick(s) to a top 7 pick through trade of picks or pick+asset

2. convert one pick to a quality wing player through trade of pick+asset

3. trade one of the picks down for a late first rounder if the find somebody they really like in the workouts

 

I don't think it's likely teams in top 7 will trade their picks down, but it's worth trying.  Maybe CLE really wants Jr for their No. 8, LOL. But sometimes teams have other plans or other needs than what they can get with their pick position.

As far as 2, find a team with more wings than they want to pay going forward.  A pick is a better option for them.

Of course the team may have bigger fish to fry this offseason than what to do with their 1st rounders.   

Jun 8, 2018 8:55am
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I reallyyyyy hope we don't trade both picks to move up and get Doncic. It was being reported by Shams that it could be a possibility. I think it's a terrible idea. A lot of people are buying into the Doncic hype train but if you stay away from his highlights and actually watch a full game or full bits of him playing, there's some reallyyyyy bad forced plays and turnovers. I really just don't see him being better than Joe Ingles. Also, I think no matter what if we trade to move up, we should only package 1 from this year and a future 1st and not both from this year.

Jun 8, 2018 8:59am
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I agree, keeping 1 pick for the youth movement is a good idea.

I would be worried about Doncic, too.  I would also be excited to get him if it didn't cost us too much.  Like a pick + Austin for Doncic would be dreamy.

Jun 8, 2018 9:08am
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gpack17 wrote:

I reallyyyyy hope we don't trade both picks to move up and get Doncic. It was being reported by Shams that it could be a possibility. I think it's a terrible idea. A lot of people are buying into the Doncic hype train but if you stay away from his highlights and actually watch a full game or full bits of him playing, there's some reallyyyyy bad forced plays and turnovers. I really just don't see him being better than Joe Ingles. Also, I think no matter what if we trade to move up, we should only package 1 from this year and a future 1st and not both from this year.

The guy was a teenager playing against grown men, the level of the ACB and especially Euroleague is significantly higher than NCAA. Putting up a big game against CSKA is way more impressive than doing it against any college team.
Jun 8, 2018 9:22am
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gpack17 wrote:

I reallyyyyy hope we don't trade both picks to move up and get Doncic. It was being reported by Shams that it could be a possibility. I think it's a terrible idea. A lot of people are buying into the Doncic hype train but if you stay away from his highlights and actually watch a full game or full bits of him playing, there's some reallyyyyy bad forced plays and turnovers. I really just don't see him being better than Joe Ingles. Also, I think no matter what if we trade to move up, we should only package 1 from this year and a future 1st and not both from this year.

I'd MUCH rather move up for Doncic than Porter. I'm not scared of a couple turnovers. Doncic is a 19-year-old playing against grown men, and he just won a EuroLeague championship, EuroLeague MVP and EuroLeague Final Four MVP. He is the real deal.

Furthermore: you couldn't ask for a better mentor for Doncic than Milos. The Clippers are honestly the ideal situation for Doncic to thrive.

Jun 8, 2018 10:19am
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JGlanton wrote:

Don't leave out the Memphis Grizz:

crying

  Totals Shooting Per Game Advanced
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2016 NBA 1 17 Wade Baldwin Vanderbilt University 40 485 144 54 66 .368 .259 .787 12.1 3.6 1.4 1.7 0.0 -0.004 -4.7 -0.3
2016 NBA 2 57 Wang Zhelin                                  
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2015 NBA 1 25 Jarell Martin Louisiana State University 142 2599 883 566 96 .436 .344 .763 18.3 6.2 4.0 0.7 2.7 .051 -3.8 -1.2
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2014 NBA 1 22 Jordan Adams University of California, Los Angeles 32 263 101 30 19 .402 .385 .607 8.2 3.2 0.9 0.6 0.4 .070 -0.5 0.1
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2013 NBA 2 41 Jamaal Franklin San Diego State University 24 174 42 25 9 .415 .462 1.000 7.3 1.8 1.0 0.4 0.0 -0.006 -5.4 -0.1
2013 NBA 2 55 Joffrey Lauvergne   208 2823 1159 789 180 .479 .285 .719 13.6 5.6 3.8 0.9 5.2 .089 -2.6 -0.4
2013 NBA 2 60 Janis Timma                                  
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2012 NBA 1 25 Tony Wroten University of Washington 145 3076 1604 363 437 .413 .231 .647 21.2 11.1 2.5 3.0 -1.3 -0.021 -4.1 -1.6
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2011 NBA 2 49 Josh Selby University of Kansas 38 296 83 20 34 .330 .143 .720 7.8 2.2 0.5 0.9 -0.7 -0.113 -10.1 -0.6
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2010 NBA 1 12 Xavier Henry University of Kansas 185 2905 1050 351 120 .406 .325 .635 15.7 5.7 1.9 0.6 0.8 .013 -5.1 -2.3
2010 NBA 1 25 Dominique Jones University of South Florida 80 741 246 114 144 .366 .095 .729 9.3 3.1 1.4 1.8 0.3 .017 -3.6 -0.3
2010 NBA 1 28 Greivis Vasquez University of Maryland 401 9520 3591 1021 1935 .418 .349 .817 23.7 9.0 2.5 4.8 12.6 .064 -1.5 1.1
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College G MP PTS TRB AST FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST WS WS/48 BPM VORP
2009 NBA 1 2 Hasheem Thabeet University of Connecticut 224 2357 483 595 27 .567   .578 10.5 2.2 2.7 0.1 4.8 .099 -1.4 0.4
2009 NBA 1 27 DeMarre Carroll University of Missouri 487 11682 4319 2050 616 .436 .364 .738 24.0 8.9 4.2 1.3 26.1 .107 1.0 8.9
2009 NBA 2 36 Sam Young University of Pittsburgh 249 3966 1436 573 180 .442 .280 .742 15.9 5.8 2.3 0.7 5.2 .063 -2.9 -0.9

 

 

I believe Soonerhopeful1 likes Xavier Henry.

 

Soonerhopeful1 wrote:

 

     Xavier Henry can play.. I always believed he would be a good pick and player some day..!  Wish we had him.Cool

 

Soonerhopeful1 wrote:

  Who motivated and pulled Cave man's chain "Kaman"..  DJ is playing well and flying high.!   Xavier Henry, the Lakers claim they like; which is the Henry I suggested we draft instead of Aminu..!   

      Lakers and  Gasol are playing pretty good for them...!     Clippers look much more athletic then Lakers so far..smiley

 

 

 

Jun 8, 2018 12:40pm
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I'd rather not move up for either Porter or Doncic. Manny, I agree that the talent level is better and they are grown men. The difference is that you are talking about that he plays for a talented team in the euroleague which includes anthony randolph, trey thompkins, jeffrey taylor. As most other teams are grown and its a different level of play, some key names on the other teams are alexey shved, nick calathes, and kyle wiljer. Those guys aren't too far off talent wise

Jun 9, 2018 9:12pm
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gpack17 wrote:

 A lot of people are buying into the Doncic hype train but if you stay away from his highlights and actually watch a full game or full bits of him playing, there's some reallyyyyy bad forced plays and turnovers. 

I forget exactly where I heard this, but it's something that stuck with me.  That high turnovers by young players can actually be a sign of future stardom.  The point being that these players are accumulating a lot of turnovers because they are trying to create for their teammates.  That is a good thing.  Once they figure things out and the game slows down for them, those turnovers will become assists.

Jun 9, 2018 9:55pm
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High turnovers is good??? That sounds specious to me.

If young players are winners, they are accumulating rebounds, steals, blocks, and assists. Because they want to win and are busting their ass via RSB to do it. That's a dominant player.  That's why you look at big scoring champs with a jaundiced eye if they don't dominate their peers in other ways. Look for the next Dwyane Wade by his dominant RSB and don't worry too much about turnovers unles pure point is  your objective

Jun 10, 2018 12:17am
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Of course you look at everything.  But for myself, I don't worry too much about a high turnover rate.  Many of the greatest players of all time had high turnover numbers and over time improved on dishing out assists.

Jun 10, 2018 12:41am
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I just glanced at his stats for last year on bbref and his turnovers don't seem that high for someone with his amount of points and assists.  His per 36 across 61 ACB and Euroleague games last year was 20.9 points, 7.5 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.6 steals, 3.2 turnovers.  So he had a better than 2:1 A/T ratio and he also got to foul line a lot, so he was handling the ball quite a bit.  His rebound and assist numbers are quite good for a SG, especially considering assists typically aren't handed as easily in Europe.

 

Jun 10, 2018 1:34pm
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Dyce wrote:

gpack17 wrote:

 A lot of people are buying into the Doncic hype train but if you stay away from his highlights and actually watch a full game or full bits of him playing, there's some reallyyyyy bad forced plays and turnovers. 

I forget exactly where I heard this, but it's something that stuck with me.  That high turnovers by young players can actually be a sign of future stardom.  The point being that these players are accumulating a lot of turnovers because they are trying to create for their teammates.  That is a good thing.  Once they figure things out and the game slows down for them, those turnovers will become assists.

 

Hollinger showed data on this back when he worked for ESPN.  He showed that the young players with high turnovers often improved and could become very good at protecting the ball.

 

The young players who were average at turnovers, barely improved.

 

 

Jun 11, 2018 8:06am
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Basically what I am referring to is this video. It's not a matter of how many turnovers per say. It's more of a how bad are the turnovers and how they would translate to the NBA. I just see a lot of things and hard passes that he is making, he won't be able to get away with at the NBA level. He is not known for having great athleticism either so that will not help.

 

 

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Jun 11, 2018 9:46am
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I like a lot of what I see in Miles Bridges. He's no star, but he will likely be a servicably three point threat for a long time. 

Holiday is a second round type pick, but I'd like him in the second round.

Robinson is a major project. Not really worth the risk of the 12th or 13th pick I think. 

Jun 11, 2018 11:11am
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I'm a huge fan of Kevin Knox at 12 and agree with Mistwell on all that he said. 

Jun 11, 2018 11:26am
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gpack17 wrote:

Basically what I am referring to is this video. It's not a matter of how many turnovers per say. It's more of a how bad are the turnovers and how they would translate to the NBA. I just see a lot of things and hard passes that he is making, he won't be able to get away with at the NBA level. He is not known for having great athleticism either so that will not help.

 

 

Everyone raves over Doncic's court vision and BBIQ, and those qualities aren't just magically going to disappear when he enters the NBA. I'm confident he'll adjust to NBA defenses.
Jun 12, 2018 12:58am
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I'm not worried about Doncic a bit, that guy is going to improve and adjust his game to the NBA. The stuff he does now is the hard part, what he needs to improve on can be coached. I'd also be very happy with a guy like Jaren Jackson. Both those guys have great value to the league currently. Much more so than another highly touted prospect to me like Bagley

Jun 12, 2018 2:31pm
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The L.A. Times said today that the Clippers wanted to trade #12 and any of their other players for a top 10 pick and nobody was biting.  They also said Doncic was not athletic enough to ever be a top banana on a good team.  He could be a very solid piece just not the starring piece.  Clippers definitely want to move up but they have no clue as to who they are going after.  Draft in nine days I think.  Not much time left.

Jun 12, 2018 2:45pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:
They also said Doncic was not athletic enough to ever be a top banana on a good team.
Sounds like the criticism of James Harden when he was drafted, was constantly being dinged for lack of athleticism leading up to the draft. But like Harden, Doncic this past season was able to get to the basket where he finishes well, drew a ton of fouls, and picked up a lot of assists. Hasheem Thabeet had great physical tools though. Superior athleticism was a main reason that Jonny Flynn was picked over Curry a few picks later as well.
Jun 12, 2018 2:46pm
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Bridges or Knox would be solid gets. 

Getting both would be GREAT!

Jun 12, 2018 4:51pm
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The LA Times is a Laker propaganda mill at this point. They're shitting their pants in fear at the prospect of the Clippers getting the next great one - so of course they're going to downplay Doncic.
Jun 12, 2018 5:16pm
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James Harden is a 99th percentile deceleration athlete so the worry about Doncic could be justifiable. I think he will be able to succeed, but I can't say with complete certainty that once he's on a court against 5 super athletes that his game will hold up.

 

I would bet that he figures it out, but it's true that we've rarely seen these Euro wings with middling athleticism thrive. Usually it's been the big men who have been very good.

Jun 12, 2018 5:48pm
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Jun 12, 2018 5:47pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

James Harden is a 99th percentile deceleration athlete so the worry about Doncic could be justifiable. I think he will be able to succeed, but I can't say with complete certainty that once he's on a court against 5 super athletes that his game will hold up.

 

I would bet that he figures it out, but it's true that we've rarely seen these Euro wings with middling athleticism thrive. Usually it's been the big men who have been very good.

There might also be a way he's deceptively athletic like Harden. If you go back to pre draft articles in from 2009, Harden is regularly referred to as lacking athlecism. There really hasnt been around Euro wing like Doncic at his age. This past season he got points and rebounds like Pau Gasol at age 20, but with a Ricky Rubio assist rate. Even Ginobili didnt dominate in Europe until he was about 22. His level of production for his age is pretty unprecendented and the level of competition in Europe is probably the highest its ever been.
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Clippers1121 wrote:

The L.A. Times said today that the Clippers wanted to trade #12 and any of their other players for a top 10 pick and nobody was biting.

That sounds like a good starting point for a package to trade up, but I think DJ is going to be the only player on our roster that could get that deal done for us, he would have to commit to signing long term with the team that trades for him though, so that limits the trade partners to pretty much only Dallas as I don't think DJ would want to sign long term with any of the other teams in the top 7-8.

Tobias Harris isn't signed to enough years to warrant another team making that deal for him and none of the other players on our roster are good enough for a deal like that to go down. It's gotta be DJ or we just keep our picks and hope at least one of them pans out to be a useful rotation player.

Jun 14, 2018 6:12pm
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So the Grizzlies are trying to package #4 and Parsons for something. He has a dreadful contract, but I wonder if we would consider doing something like Gallo and 12 for Parsons and number 4.

 

It could kill us for next year since he is pure dead weight with no hopes of returning any sort of positive value, but if we absolutely love someone left at 4 then maybe. I probably wouldn't do it unless Doncic or Jackson fell there and even then that's a hefty price. 

Jun 15, 2018 9:25am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

So the Grizzlies are trying to package #4 and Parsons for something. He has a dreadful contract, but I wonder if we would consider doing something like Gallo and 12 for Parsons and number 4.

 

It could kill us for next year since he is pure dead weight with no hopes of returning any sort of positive value, but if we absolutely love someone left at 4 then maybe. I probably wouldn't do it unless Doncic or Jackson fell there and even then that's a hefty price. 

I might even throw in a future 1st to get this done. As long as we can keep 13. We could get a high level prospect, and still get a guy like kevin knox or kevin huerter at 13 that could play when parsons is out. Parsons has a similar contract to gallo.

Jun 15, 2018 10:13am
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They have similar contracts though Chandler is paid a bit more (and not lost on me that Dano said he wanted a Chandler Parsons type contract). They play about the same number of games each season: he's no more dead weight really than Dano. Dano is a better player right now but not by a whole lot, however he does play more minutes in a game when he's healthy than Chandler when he is healthy. It's a minor downgrade. 

Going from #12 to #4 is obviously an upgrade, particularly if the guy we want falls to #4. 

So, it's worth considering. I guess it's a draft day type decision...if our guy is available at #4 you pull the trigger (if they are up for it). 

Jun 15, 2018 11:39am
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I would take the Parsons contract to get the #4 pick. I think it is worth it for us. If the player we take turns out to be a star, we would have him under team control for 8-9 years, also the first four years would be cheap. I doubt the Grizzlies would do this.