Tobias Harris for Top 10 Pick?

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#1 Jun 8, 2018 9:19pm
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Tobias Harris for Top 10 Pick?

The baseless rumor mill starts churning for clicks:

The Clippers have made calls to several teams in the top 10, inquiring about the price tags to move up, league sources told The Athletic. Tobias Harris is a name to keep an eye on in those trade talks. Harris is entering the final year of his contract and will earn $14.8 million.

Jun 8, 2018 10:00pm
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He is 6'9" and can shoot the 3. No way we trade him.

Jun 8, 2018 10:02pm
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Translation: teams are begging for Tobias and still won't get him.

Jun 9, 2018 5:34am
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I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

Jun 9, 2018 5:35am
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Do we extend him if we don't trade him?
Jun 9, 2018 8:01am
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VFHS wrote:

Translation: teams are begging for Tobias and still won't get him.

Even though he’s “trash”
Jun 9, 2018 8:03am
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trapp76 wrote:
VFHS wrote:

Translation: teams are begging for Tobias and still won't get him.

Even though he’s “trash”
I've already long since admitted that I was wrong about Tobias. Unlike you, I can admit when I'm wrong.
Jun 9, 2018 8:10am
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i do like the fact that we are trying to get creative to move up, we have the assets to do it. Any true rebuild starts with getting a star player out of the draft on a rookie contract.
Jun 9, 2018 8:50am
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Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I agree but is some team really going to pay him 25M? As much as I’d like to have Doncic or Young, how many guards can one squad accommodate. We need to move some of those guards some how some way.
Jun 9, 2018 8:59am
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tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I agree but is some team really going to pay him 25M? As much as I’d like to have Doncic or Young, how many guards can one squad accommodate. We need to move some of those guards some how some way.

This is a good year to have restricted free agents. I don't think teams are going to be throwing around crazy money like years past.

Jun 9, 2018 9:08am
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Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I think we can extend Tobias in the 20 millions per year range
Jun 9, 2018 9:26am
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U trade Vlade for the rights of Kobe. Of course u try to trade Tobias, if u have someone in mind that will become a superstar. West has a plan.
Jun 9, 2018 9:38am
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V-Ice wrote:
U trade Vlade for the rights of Kobe. Of course u try to trade Tobias, if u have someone in mind that will become a superstar. West has a plan.
It would be great to think there’s that kind of talent in this draft but I’m skeptical.
Jun 9, 2018 10:09am
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Harris is an expiring contract if can get top pick for him we should do it.
Jun 9, 2018 10:10am
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tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I agree but is some team really going to pay him 25M? As much as I’d like to have Doncic or Young, how many guards can one squad accommodate. We need to move some of those guards some how some way.
Doncic is 6'8". He's a "guard" in the same way that Ben Simmons is a "guard."
Jun 9, 2018 10:17am
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VFHS wrote:
tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I agree but is some team really going to pay him 25M? As much as I’d like to have Doncic or Young, how many guards can one squad accommodate. We need to move some of those guards some how some way.
Doncic is 6'8". He's a "guard" in the same way that Ben Simmons is a "guard."
Understood, and I’m all in for getting him, however he still plays the guard position. We have way to many guys playing that position.
Jun 9, 2018 10:20am
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tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

I agree but is some team really going to pay him 25M? As much as I’d like to have Doncic or Young, how many guards can one squad accommodate. We need to move some of those guards some how some way.
None of our current guards (or any of our current players really) are long term foundational pieces so they shouldn't influence whether our moves if we think we can get someone who is a good bet to be one. Our number one need is top level talent at any position. If we can get Doncic we should, I'd take him #1, nobody has performaed as well as he has as young as he is in Europe (maybe Kukoc, but level of play in Europe was much, much lower 30 years ago)
Jun 9, 2018 10:34am
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The Tobias speculation doesn't make much sense.  

I can't see Tobias getting $20M+ in this market.   He's a good player and a good scorer but not dominant in any way and not a star.  He's more like a Marcus Morris level type. I could see him getting $16-18M.

Most of the lottery teams are going to want to keep their picks.  If they trade them it's going to be for a young star.  No fit there.

Perhaps Memphis, Cleveland, or remotely Dallas are more interested in a win-now.  Memphis has Jamychal Green on a rookie contract, though.   Dallas has Barnes/Powell/Matthews, so I don't see the need.

Perhaps Cleveland if they lose Lebron will need a fill-in, but they only have they 8th pick and I wouldn't give up Tobias just to move up 4 spots unless they get Porter or something.

Orlando has a lot of money tied up in medium/mediocre players. They could use a star offensive player. They'd probably want to get rid of one of their higher paid players, not their draft pick.

 

The players that we have that I could see other teams being interested in are the young guards like Thornwell and Evans. And of course Beverley.   Lou or Austin could draw some interest from a higher tier team looking to shore up their bench.  But none of that moves us up in the draft unless there are somehow multi team trades.

 

 

 

Jun 9, 2018 10:50am
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Jr will be move
Jun 9, 2018 3:37pm
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The Clips aren't the only team who'd like to move up into the top 9 of this draft.  It might be a seller's market.

Also teams who don't have a 1st rounder or have a low first rounder could be candidates to trade for one of the Clippers picks.  So that would be Brooklyn, Lakers, Detroit, Miami, New Orleans, Toronto.  So if one of those teams has a decent wing that they want/need to move because they have a positional need or they want to make cap space for Lebron or whatever,  the Clips have a pick and an exception to facilitate such moves.  As long as we can get better without taking on long-term  contracts. 

Jun 9, 2018 4:45pm
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Using the exception would put us over the luxury tax.  

Jun 9, 2018 4:56pm
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Dyce wrote:

Using the exception would put us over the luxury tax.  

Pretty sure we are fine on that front for next year, so far. A lot of guys leaving if we want them to. 

Jun 9, 2018 7:43pm
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If we end up moving into the top 5 I think DJ plus picks is the only way we can do it. We already know Dallas wants him and he is from Texas. I could see something like DJ plus 12 or 13 to Dallas for Wes Matthews and the number 5 pick. I think Doncic could fall to that pick if his agent scares off the top 4 teams.
Jun 9, 2018 9:03pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Dyce wrote:

Using the exception would put us over the luxury tax.  

Pretty sure we are fine on that front for next year, so far. A lot of guys leaving if we want them to. 

Yes, we're fine for next year.  But this year isn't over.

The CP3 exception expires before July 1st.  If we add salary before July 1st it means we're paying the luxury tax for the past year, something we really tried to avoid.  The whole Wallace situation happened because we wanted to avoid paying the luxury tax this year.  

Jun 9, 2018 9:40pm
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Dyce wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Dyce wrote:

Using the exception would put us over the luxury tax.  

Pretty sure we are fine on that front for next year, so far. A lot of guys leaving if we want them to. 

Yes, we're fine for next year.  But this year isn't over.

The CP3 exception expires before July 1st.  If we add salary before July 1st it means we're paying the luxury tax for the past year, something we really tried to avoid.  The whole Wallace situation happened because we wanted to avoid paying the luxury tax this year.  

April 11 was the cutoff for determining luxury tax penalties.

Jun 10, 2018 12:21am
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Mistwell wrote:

Dyce wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Dyce wrote:

Using the exception would put us over the luxury tax.  

Pretty sure we are fine on that front for next year, so far. A lot of guys leaving if we want them to. 

Yes, we're fine for next year.  But this year isn't over.

The CP3 exception expires before July 1st.  If we add salary before July 1st it means we're paying the luxury tax for the past year, something we really tried to avoid.  The whole Wallace situation happened because we wanted to avoid paying the luxury tax this year.  

April 11 was the cutoff for determining luxury tax penalties.

Oh shit.  Learned something new.

Jun 10, 2018 1:01am
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JGlanton wrote:

Perhaps Cleveland if they lose Lebron will need a fill-in, but they only have they 8th pick and I wouldn't give up Tobias just to move up 4 spots

 

I wouldn't either unless the the 8th + one of the 12th and 13th gets you up to where you want to be if you have your eye on someone you really want.

Tobias is a great piece, but not one you use as a foundation to build around, so depending on what the vision is for moving forward, he can be expendable if he brings in something that advances that vision for moving forward.

The fact is, as I see it, we have a ton of really good pieces that do not really fit all that well. The sum of the pieces is much greater than the whole. I would think a good amount of dealing around and trading will take place in order to assemble a coherent set of players and assets for the path forward. And I can see Tobias being dealt to that end.

Jun 10, 2018 9:02am
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On paper, a frontline of Tobias, Gallo and DJ is very good. Our problem is in the backcourt and the backup wings. We could find those pieces with our current draft picks and the free agent market.

I would trade Tobias only as a means to get a franchise player like Lillard, KAT or Kawhi. Trading him just to move up in the draft is too risky. It will take several years to know what we have. Right now, I think only Ayton and a healthy MPJ are franchise players.

Jun 10, 2018 9:46am
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"On paper" is the only place you will find Gallo's name. The dude never plays. You cannot count on him in any simulation of a new Clipper lineup.

Jun 11, 2018 5:25am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

On paper, a frontline of Tobias, Gallo and DJ is very good. Our problem is in the backcourt and the backup wings. We could find those pieces with our current draft picks and the free agent market.

I would trade Tobias only as a means to get a franchise player like Lillard, KAT or Kawhi. Trading him just to move up in the draft is too risky. It will take several years to know what we have. Right now, I think only Ayton and a healthy MPJ are franchise players.

Gallo is hurt so much I don't even really consider him on the team

Jun 11, 2018 8:01am
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I agree with pro100 to an extent. It's hard to be happy with Gallo for me mainly because we pay him so much and he's just not reliable. He's only played over 60 games in a season only 3 times of his 10 years.

 

In regards to trading tobias, I would keep him until the deadline at least. At the deadline, we could trade his expiring contract to a contending team and hopefully get a top 10 callber pick in next years draft. I know it's hard to say that because everyone looks at the what can we get now. But, next years draft is going to have some pretty good wings. Just in the top 10 we will probably see RJ Barrett, Nas Little, Cam Reddish and Romeo Langford. That's not including other positions where guys like naz reid, daniel gafford, bol bol, and zion williamson will be. 

Jun 11, 2018 8:23am
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Trade to a contending team and get a top 10 pick? So some contending team traded a player to a bad team to get a top 10 pick in your mind, and then they trade that pick for Harris?

How about we SIGN HARRIS?

Jun 11, 2018 9:45am
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trapp76 wrote:
If we end up moving into the top 5 I think DJ plus picks is the only way we can do it. We already know Dallas wants him and he is from Texas. I could see something like DJ plus 12 or 13 to Dallas for Wes Matthews and the number 5 pick. I think Doncic could fall to that pick if his agent scares off the top 4 teams.

https://lasportshub.com/2018/06/10/los-angeles-clippers-trade-fifth/

Dallas really seems like a natural trade partner for us.

If we could make this trade happen, our haul for CP/Blake/DJ would end up being very very good overall.

Jun 11, 2018 9:48am
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trapp76 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:
If we end up moving into the top 5 I think DJ plus picks is the only way we can do it. We already know Dallas wants him and he is from Texas. I could see something like DJ plus 12 or 13 to Dallas for Wes Matthews and the number 5 pick. I think Doncic could fall to that pick if his agent scares off the top 4 teams.

https://lasportshub.com/2018/06/10/los-angeles-clippers-trade-fifth/

Dallas really seems like a natural trade partner for us.

If we could make this trade happen, our haul for CP/Blake/DJ would end up being very very good overall.

Jason Reed is basically a teenage fan posting his wishes on the internet. 

Jun 11, 2018 10:21am
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Mistwell wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:
If we end up moving into the top 5 I think DJ plus picks is the only way we can do it. We already know Dallas wants him and he is from Texas. I could see something like DJ plus 12 or 13 to Dallas for Wes Matthews and the number 5 pick. I think Doncic could fall to that pick if his agent scares off the top 4 teams.

https://lasportshub.com/2018/06/10/los-angeles-clippers-trade-fifth/

Dallas really seems like a natural trade partner for us.

If we could make this trade happen, our haul for CP/Blake/DJ would end up being very very good overall.

Jason Reed is basically a teenage fan posting his wishes on the internet. 

Don't really care, what he writes makes sense here.

Jun 11, 2018 11:51pm
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Trading Tobias could also be a move to try to shed salary to land a free agent.  

Jun 12, 2018 10:00am
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Dyce wrote:

Trading Tobias could also be a move to try to shed salary to land a free agent.  

We still wouldn't have cap space to sign a max player if Austin opts in, it wouldn't matter. If Austin opts out, moving Harris's salary would open up a max slot for us (assuming DJ opts out too).

Jun 12, 2018 10:11am
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You know what's depressing?

We would have 38 mill in cap space this off-season if we didn't have Austin and Gallo on the roster. 

Jun 12, 2018 12:37pm
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trapp76 wrote:

You know what's depressing?

We would have 38 mill in cap space this off-season if we didn't have Austin and Gallo on the roster. 

Don't forget Wes. I come up with $40.4 million for all 3 using HoopsHype's numbers.

Jun 12, 2018 1:19pm
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If we could get Gallo off the books. That would be huge. After this next season only Gallo, Lou, and the 2 1st rounders are the only gauranteed contracts on the roster. If we can find a way to get rid of Gallo, we could resign Harris to a good contract, have Lou's cheap contract, and a ton of cap space to sign free agents. 

Jun 12, 2018 5:18pm
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We need Gallo to have an injury free first half then maybe we can get rid of him for free. A smaller market team or a contender who doesn't care about going into tax (like Cleveland this past year with George Hill) to just get a good player no matter the price could take him on. But if he starts getting an injury every other week again then we're stuck.

Jun 13, 2018 5:50pm
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Dyce wrote:

Trading Tobias could also be a move to try to shed salary to land a free agent.  

A free agent that probably won't be as good as Tobais. Maybe its just me but if Tobias is hungry this offseason to improve his game, he might make a nice leap next season. 

Jun 13, 2018 8:14pm
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Dyce wrote:

I'm guessing it would be a move to land Doncic or MPJ.  (Or Trae Young)

I really like Tobias, but his next contract could be bad.  He's awesome at 15 million range, not so awesome at 25+ million.

Really? Just let jerry do all the thinking please