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#1 Mar 11, 2018 9:32am
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Team is 11-5 since Blake trade

We should make the playoffs this season and we look great for next season with Tobias and Lou already signed and 2 first round draft picks coming on board.

Definitely resign Montrezl. It would be great if DJ opted in.

Danilo may be a lost cause. Latest report is he is waiting for the swelling to go down before deciding if he should have surgery on his hand.

Mar 11, 2018 9:59am
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The team is also whining less and getting less technical files since the CP3 and Blake trade.

Mar 11, 2018 10:06am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

Mar 11, 2018 10:17am (Reply to #3)
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gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

I say get him out of our minds and move forward. I'm hoping we can get Ty back on the roster. That'll help out big time. 

Mar 11, 2018 11:01am
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Would LeBron be interested in Tobias, DJ, Doc and trading Gallo, Austin and one of our first rounders for John Wall?

I think that is a better team than Lonzo, Brandon, Kuzma, Luke and maybe PG13.

Mar 11, 2018 11:37am
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If you thought Blake's contract was bad, you'd hate John Wall's contract. Wall is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, hasn't led a team past the second round of the playoffs, and he can't shoot (which makes him a poor fit with LeBron).

Mar 11, 2018 11:50am (Reply to #6)
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VFHS wrote:

If you thought Blake's contract was bad, you'd hate John Wall's contract. Wall is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, hasn't led a team past the second round of the playoffs, and he can't shoot (which makes him a poor fit with LeBron).

LOLWut?

BG: $30M, $32M, $34M, $37M, $39M

JW: $15M, $16M, $17M, $18M, $19M

Wall also has a better PER than Blake right now (and he's a year younger and getting a bit better as Blake is already delclining) . And he's played more games than Blake and less injury prone than Blake. At HALF the salary of Blake going forward. Oh and Blake also has not led his team past the second round of the playoffs. 

This was definitely one of those "VFHS speaking out of his ass" moments. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about. If Blake had been signed to Wall's contract, he'd still be here. 

Mar 11, 2018 12:02pm
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One thing when BG23 player, is that he has experience in big games.. I feel that we missed him vs the Pelicans.. I know one game, but that one game maybe what cost us not making it in the long run. But at the end of the day, we are a better deeper team..
Mar 11, 2018 12:15pm (Reply to #8)
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pro100 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

I say get him out of our minds and move forward. I'm hoping we can get Ty back on the roster. That'll help out big time. 

Ty is a nice role player but not a difference maker like Gallinari. 

Mar 11, 2018 12:30pm (Reply to #9)
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

If you thought Blake's contract was bad, you'd hate John Wall's contract. Wall is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, hasn't led a team past the second round of the playoffs, and he can't shoot (which makes him a poor fit with LeBron).

LOLWut?

BG: $30M, $32M, $34M, $37M, $39M

JW: $15M, $16M, $17M, $18M, $19M

Wall also has a better PER than Blake right now (and he's a year younger and getting a bit better as Blake is already delclining) . And he's played more games than Blake and less injury prone than Blake. At HALF the salary of Blake going forward. Oh and Blake also has not led his team past the second round of the playoffs. 

This was definitely one of those "VFHS speaking out of his ass" moments. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about. If Blake had been signed to Wall's contract, he'd still be here. 

Wall already signed his extension. He will make $44 million in 2022:

http://hoopshype.com/player/john-wall/salary/

I was aware of the risk of taking on his contract when I mentioned it. There are probably better PG options. I just wanted to get a discussion going on what can we get for Gallo and Austin.

Mar 11, 2018 12:40pm (Reply to #10)
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

If you thought Blake's contract was bad, you'd hate John Wall's contract. Wall is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, hasn't led a team past the second round of the playoffs, and he can't shoot (which makes him a poor fit with LeBron).

LOLWut?

BG: $30M, $32M, $34M, $37M, $39M

JW: $15M, $16M, $17M, $18M, $19M

Wall also has a better PER than Blake right now (and he's a year younger and getting a bit better as Blake is already delclining) . And he's played more games than Blake and less injury prone than Blake. At HALF the salary of Blake going forward. Oh and Blake also has not led his team past the second round of the playoffs. 

This was definitely one of those "VFHS speaking out of his ass" moments. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about. If Blake had been signed to Wall's contract, he'd still be here. 

Wrong. Wall signed a $207 million extension last summer.

Between getting the details of Wall's contract wrong and building your argument around a stat as flawed as PER, you are the one talking out of your ass, not me. The Wizards have barely missed a beat with Tomas Satoransky in place of Wall... no way would I ever want the Clippers to trade for that bloated contract.

Mar 11, 2018 1:38pm
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Wizards are 17-13 without John Wall, .567.

 

Wizards are 21-16 with John Wall, .567.

 

Wall missed significant time during 2010-2011 (13 games), 2012-2013 (32 games), and 2017-2018 (30 games and counting).

 

He's been healthy during 2011-2012 (all 66 games in the lockout season), 2013-2014 (82 games), 2014-2015 (missed 3 games), 2015-2016 (missed 5 games), and 2016-2017 (missed 4 games).

 

There is some injury risk with hiim, but he's also had 5 healthy seasons.

 

I think the Wizards are better with John Wall, but he will be getting paid a lot from 2019-2023.

 

His shooting doesn't bother me, he still averaged 27 points and 10 assists in the playoffs last year.  He shot 45% in the playoffs last year, which is similar to what a lot of better shooters shoot at too.

 

Plus, he's a point guard.  As long as he keeps it to 41% + and picks his spots, that's fine.

 

I think it's good for the Wizards to keep him.

 

But, if the question is should another team trade for him, that's a maybe, given his contract.  The team should have another star player to pair with him.

 

Mar 11, 2018 3:08pm (Reply to #12)
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gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

This right here....You guys have had a favorable schedule against what has been mainly been against sub .500 teams and when you have played the playoff teams more times than not you have lost...14 of the final 17 games are against teams in postion to compete for a playoff spot.  That is only 3 games against scrubs......

Mar 11, 2018 3:13pm (Reply to #13)
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htownfan wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

This right here....You guys have had a favorable schedule against what has been mainly been against sub .500 teams and when you have played the playoff teams more times than not you have lost...14 of the final 17 games are against teams in postion to compete for a playoff spot.  That is only 3 games against scrubs......

we are the only team to have beaten the top four teams in basketball. G.S, Houston (twice), Toronto and Boston. We have recently beaten Denver in Denver, Boston in Boston, And just smoked Cleveland. We’re not exactly laying down to playoff teams.
Mar 11, 2018 4:19pm (Reply to #14)
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VFHS wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

If you thought Blake's contract was bad, you'd hate John Wall's contract. Wall is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, hasn't led a team past the second round of the playoffs, and he can't shoot (which makes him a poor fit with LeBron).

LOLWut?

BG: $30M, $32M, $34M, $37M, $39M

JW: $15M, $16M, $17M, $18M, $19M

Wall also has a better PER than Blake right now (and he's a year younger and getting a bit better as Blake is already delclining) . And he's played more games than Blake and less injury prone than Blake. At HALF the salary of Blake going forward. Oh and Blake also has not led his team past the second round of the playoffs. 

This was definitely one of those "VFHS speaking out of his ass" moments. You clearly had no idea what you were talking about. If Blake had been signed to Wall's contract, he'd still be here. 

Wrong. Wall signed a $207 million extension last summer.

Between getting the details of Wall's contract wrong and building your argument around a stat as flawed as PER, you are the one talking out of your ass, not me. The Wizards have barely missed a beat with Tomas Satoransky in place of Wall... no way would I ever want the Clippers to trade for that bloated contract.

I just added up their contracts, and Wall is STILL paid significantly less than Blake over their contracts (I think it was 172 vs 158). 

And PER is flawed BECAUSE IT BIASES TOWARDS OFFENSE. 

So yeah VFHS, you were talking out of your ass. 

Mar 11, 2018 4:21pm
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Here is Wall's contract (reported this way on many sources):

http://hoopshype.com/player/john-wall/salary/

 

 

Mar 11, 2018 4:38pm
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BTW, Tobias and DJ may be enough on their own to attract LeBron or another quality free agent. We still would have to move Gallo and Austin and settle on a starting PG.

Mar 11, 2018 5:26pm
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Not the biggest fan of Wall, especially once his supermax kicks in. 

Mar 11, 2018 5:46pm (Reply to #18)
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tullabye wrote:
htownfan wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

This right here....You guys have had a favorable schedule against what has been mainly been against sub .500 teams and when you have played the playoff teams more times than not you have lost...14 of the final 17 games are against teams in postion to compete for a playoff spot.  That is only 3 games against scrubs......

we are the only team to have beaten the top four teams in basketball. G.S, Houston (twice), Toronto and Boston. We have recently beaten Denver in Denver, Boston in Boston, And just smoked Cleveland. We’re not exactly laying down to playoff teams.

This thread is about your record since the trade so I wasnt saying you were laying down to playoff teams in the season...I was talking about how favorable your schedule in this 11-5 record since the trade. You are 3-5 against playoff teams...your other 8 wins were against sub .500 teams

Mar 11, 2018 8:14pm (Reply to #19)
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htownfan wrote:

tullabye wrote:
htownfan wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

This right here....You guys have had a favorable schedule against what has been mainly been against sub .500 teams and when you have played the playoff teams more times than not you have lost...14 of the final 17 games are against teams in postion to compete for a playoff spot.  That is only 3 games against scrubs......

we are the only team to have beaten the top four teams in basketball. G.S, Houston (twice), Toronto and Boston. We have recently beaten Denver in Denver, Boston in Boston, And just smoked Cleveland. We’re not exactly laying down to playoff teams.

This thread is about your record since the trade so I wasnt saying you were laying down to playoff teams in the season...I was talking about how favorable your schedule in this 11-5 record since the trade. You are 3-5 against playoff teams...your other 8 wins were against sub .500 teams

 

i would like to very sincerely and respectfully invite you to fuck off.

Mar 11, 2018 8:52pm (Reply to #20)
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

BTW, Tobias and DJ may be enough on their own to attract LeBron or another quality free agent. We still would have to move Gallo and Austin and settle on a starting PG.

Doing that might be difficult to do. I'm not sure that trading away Austin would be easy because Doc is in the picture.I have a feeling that Doc has probably been working Jerry West with his charm. I can't fathom that Jerry would trade away Blake for the future of this team but no be tempted to deal away a player like Austin. My guess is that getting rid of Austin is going to be much much harder than we all think. 

Mar 11, 2018 11:17pm (Reply to #21)
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gilp5 wrote:

pro100 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

I say get him out of our minds and move forward. I'm hoping we can get Ty back on the roster. That'll help out big time. 

Ty is a nice role player but not a difference maker like Gallinari. 

Gallo is not a difference maker simply cause he never plays and is rarely healthy. Plus he has no past history of big playoff performances whatsoever. There's no need in discussing Gallo period

Mar 11, 2018 11:25pm (Reply to #22)
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pro100 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

pro100 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

I say get him out of our minds and move forward. I'm hoping we can get Ty back on the roster. That'll help out big time. 

Ty is a nice role player but not a difference maker like Gallinari. 

Gallo is not a difference maker simply cause he never plays and is rarely healthy. Plus he has no past history of big playoff performances whatsoever. There's no need in discussing Gallo period

He's been good for us when he plays. Of course there's a need to discuss him until he's ruled out for the season.

Mar 11, 2018 11:56pm
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can we just trade pussy ass mr glass danilo this offseason? he is  (half man/ barley half season) nickname.

Can we even trade Gallo for even a 2nd round pick possibly. This guy is one of the biggest bust large contract worst signings in clips history.

Mar 12, 2018 8:18am
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He's played more games han Beverley this season.

Mar 12, 2018 10:00am (Reply to #25)
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htownfan wrote:

tullabye wrote:
htownfan wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

 

We have a brutal schedule coming up and might not make the playoffs without Gallinari.

 

This right here....You guys have had a favorable schedule against what has been mainly been against sub .500 teams and when you have played the playoff teams more times than not you have lost...14 of the final 17 games are against teams in postion to compete for a playoff spot.  That is only 3 games against scrubs......

we are the only team to have beaten the top four teams in basketball. G.S, Houston (twice), Toronto and Boston. We have recently beaten Denver in Denver, Boston in Boston, And just smoked Cleveland. We’re not exactly laying down to playoff teams.

This thread is about your record since the trade so I wasnt saying you were laying down to playoff teams in the season...I was talking about how favorable your schedule in this 11-5 record since the trade. You are 3-5 against playoff teams...your other 8 wins were against sub .500 teams

 

Htown, man I gotta sincerely thank you guys for Lou Williams and Harrell, both of those guys are super solid players that are going to help our franchise for a long, long time at great value money wise on top of it. So happy we have those two players, they have been cornerstones for us..............and Beverly could still turn out to be a great asset as well. We could end up with three really really nice assets from that CP trade, we are super happy with it, especially considering he just could have walked simply for nothing and we would have been totally screwed.

 

Mar 12, 2018 1:27pm (Reply to #26)
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trapp76 wrote:

Htown, man I gotta sincerely thank you guys for Lou Williams and Harrell, both of those guys are super solid players that are going to help our franchise for a long, long time at great value money wise on top of it. So happy we have those two players, they have been cornerstones for us..............and Beverly could still turn out to be a great asset as well. We could end up with three really really nice assets from that CP trade, we are super happy with it, especially considering he just could have walked simply for nothing and we would have been totally screwed.

Harrell for sure and Lou has been better than advertised for the regular season...Would love to see how he does in the playoffs for you guy because historically if you look at his playoff averages...they dip and he disappears... I told you guys from jump that I really hated losing Harrell...and yes you were able to get something instead of nothing.....

Mar 12, 2018 2:27pm
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htownfan wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Htown, man I gotta sincerely thank you guys for Lou Williams and Harrell, both of those guys are super solid players that are going to help our franchise for a long, long time at great value money wise on top of it. So happy we have those two players, they have been cornerstones for us..............and Beverly could still turn out to be a great asset as well. We could end up with three really really nice assets from that CP trade, we are super happy with it, especially considering he just could have walked simply for nothing and we would have been totally screwed.

Harrell for sure and Lou has been better than advertised for the regular season...Would love to see how he does in the playoffs for you guy because historically if you look at his playoff averages...they dip and he disappears... I told you guys from jump that I really hated losing Harrell...and yes you were able to get something instead of nothing.....

 

The trade was a win-win for both teams.

Against my prediction that CP would not fit in the D'Antoni system, especially with Harden as the central piece, Houston got better -- unquestionably.

On the other hand, the Clippers were going nowhere as constituted, always likely to be in the playoffs but never likely to get past the 1st or 2nd round. With CP and BG gone, there are wide open, plausible paths forward to build a team that would contend within 2-4 years. And with the assets we have gathered, we can still be in the playoffs every year while we are rebuilding. Not too bad.

 

Mar 12, 2018 2:28pm
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htownfan wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Htown, man I gotta sincerely thank you guys for Lou Williams and Harrell, both of those guys are super solid players that are going to help our franchise for a long, long time at great value money wise on top of it. So happy we have those two players, they have been cornerstones for us..............and Beverly could still turn out to be a great asset as well. We could end up with three really really nice assets from that CP trade, we are super happy with it, especially considering he just could have walked simply for nothing and we would have been totally screwed.

Harrell for sure and Lou has been better than advertised for the regular season...Would love to see how he does in the playoffs for you guy because historically if you look at his playoff averages...they dip and he disappears... I told you guys from jump that I really hated losing Harrell...and yes you were able to get something instead of nothing.....

I'm not sure we would have a better record at this point with CP. It seems like he's best fit on a team faciltating an MVP quality player, which we don't have. I think the trade was a win-win for both sides.

Mar 12, 2018 4:04pm
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CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

Mar 12, 2018 4:25pm
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VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

 

Good post.  


Memphis' injuries also contribute to the Warriors and Rockets' records.  Golden State now has easy wins over Memphis.  Whereas last year, Memphis beat the Warriors twice.  

 

Houston had also lost 4/7 games against Memphis before this year, spanning the previous two seasons.

Mar 13, 2018 11:37am
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VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

Yeah Yeah....Picking up Cp3, Tucker, Luc and Green had nothing to do with it.  We got much better defensively and that had nothing to do with it.....Harden still plays the way he always has and there's no question who the Alpha dog is on our team......Of course all this will have to translate to the playoffs so we shall see.,,,,

Mar 13, 2018 11:49am
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htownfan wrote:

VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

Yeah Yeah....Picking up Cp3, Tucker, Luc and Green had nothing to do with it.  We got much better defensively and that had nothing to do with it.....Harden still plays the way he always has and there's no question who the Alpha dog is on our team......Of course all this will have to translate to the playoffs so we shall see.,,,,

I wouldn't mind the Rockets winning a championship. The only reason I wouldn't want them to win is because I think Lebron would have more incentive to go to the Rockets (and not the Lakers) if they needed him to get over the hump.

Mar 13, 2018 11:59am
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VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

LMFAO, at one point this season the Rockets offense had the highest offensive efficiency OF ALL TIME IN NBA HISTORY.

The rest of the west is weak?? really??? The number 10 team in the west is 8 GAMES AHEAD of the number 10 team in the leastern conference (you know, the conference that Blake can't even lead his team to a playoff spot in).

Mar 13, 2018 11:59am
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htownfan wrote:

VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

Yeah Yeah....Picking up Cp3, Tucker, Luc and Green had nothing to do with it.  We got much better defensively and that had nothing to do with it.....Harden still plays the way he always has and there's no question who the Alpha dog is on our team......Of course all this will have to translate to the playoffs so we shall see.,,,,

 

If you guys didn't have CP0 you'd probably have about 70 wins by now

Mar 13, 2018 12:34pm
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LOL.

Of course CP3 helped the Rockets. He's not the only help the Rockets got, but he's an important part of it.

The issues with CP3 are mostly what he will be in 3 years or so, not what he is right now. What he is right now remains a superb player. 

Mar 13, 2018 1:47pm
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I think Paul and others have helped Houston; Paul does dribble too much; and that the league is weak.

 

D'Antoni's Suns teams have had a 113 and 114 ORTG before too, so this isn't new.  Houston has a 115 ORTG, a little better.  Some of those Suns teams have had similar DRTGs too.

 

We'll have to see what they do in the playoffs.  

Mar 13, 2018 1:59pm
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Rest of the west being weak?  Really?  The #10 seed (non playoff team) is 7 games over .500.  Come on guys.  Houston is good, stop acting like bitches about it.

 

 

Mar 13, 2018 2:06pm
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Rest of the west being weak?  Really?  The #10 seed (non playoff team) is 7 games over .500.  Come on guys.  Houston is good, stop acting like bitches about it.

 

 

Agreed.

I think Harden being a little bitch is easily conflated with Harden being a weak player. He's a great player...and a little bitch. He can be both. And the Rockets are a great team, despite their best player being a little bitch :)

Mar 13, 2018 2:26pm
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Rest of the west being weak?  Really?  The #10 seed (non playoff team) is 7 games over .500.  Come on guys.  Houston is good, stop acting like bitches about it.

 

 

 

I think Houston is great.

 

I also said the rest of the league, not just the west, is weak.

 

Houston is so much better than most teams, that the rest of the teams in the league are weak.

 

If we have a playoffs where the Finalists lose a combined 4 games en route to the Finals, it would support the way I see it.

 

But I don't think Houston is doing anything too different from what D'Antoni teams have done before (and those teams were great too).  That's not taking away from Houston, it's just the bar D'Antoni has set makes this normal.

Mar 13, 2018 2:28pm
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Mistwell wrote:

MadFlabby wrote:

Rest of the west being weak?  Really?  The #10 seed (non playoff team) is 7 games over .500.  Come on guys.  Houston is good, stop acting like bitches about it.

 

 

Agreed.

I think Harden being a little bitch is easily conflated with Harden being a weak player. He's a great player...and a little bitch. He can be both. And the Rockets are a great team, despite their best player being a little bitch :)

 

I don't think Harden is a bitch.  And the Rockets are having a great season.

Mar 13, 2018 2:35pm
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Back in 2009-2010, I said the league was weak because there were 7 teams with .329 records or worse.

 

This year has a chance of equaling that.

 

I think the bottom is worse than normal, with how many teams are bad.

 

Usually there's 6 or 5 teams that are that bad, not 7.

 

Just the way I see it.

 

I don't look at the bottom of the playoffs cutoff, I look at the bottom of the league more than others.

 

In the 2010 playoffs, we ended up having 3 sweeps in the 2nd round

 

Mar 13, 2018 4:01pm
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CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

LMFAO, at one point this season the Rockets offense had the highest offensive efficiency OF ALL TIME IN NBA HISTORY.

The rest of the west is weak?? really??? The number 10 team in the west is 8 GAMES AHEAD of the number 10 team in the leastern conference (you know, the conference that Blake can't even lead his team to a playoff spot in).

Yawn. D'Antoni has been putting up monster offensive stats in the regular season his entire career. Last year's Rockets also put up one of the greatest offensive ratings of all time without CP0. Remind me again how that worked out for them against the Spurs in the playoffs?

Just because the East is top-heavy as usual doesn't mean the West is strong this year. It's not an either/or situation. Regardless of the standings, we all know the West is the Warriors and everyone else. Now let's look at who else Houston is competing with to be the other team on Golden State's highlight reel: a Blazers team with two players worth a shit; the Wolves without Jimmy Butler; the Thunder without Roberson's defense; the Pelicans without Cousins; the Clippers with Doc/Austin and without Beverley, Bradley, or Gallo; the Spurs without Kawhi; the Nuggets without Millsap for much of the year; the Jazz without Gobert for much of the year. Gee, I wonder why the Rockets have been racking up such an obscene number of wins!

Mar 13, 2018 4:40pm
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VFHS wrote:
trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

CP0 didn't make the Rockets better. He's still the same diva and choke artist he's always been. I don't think it's a coincidence that since he's joined, they've slid to middle of the pack in pace and have become the most iso-centric team in the league. CP0 is 7th among all guards who have started at least 30 games in average dribbles per touch - and Harden leads in that stat. For all the talk of adjusting to the sidekick role and fitting into the Rockets' system, CP0 still only knows how to play one way: slow down the pace and dribble the air out of the ball. And he's already forcing Harden to play his way, just like he did with Blake. This will make them even more predictable for playoff defenses to guard. And CP0 still disappears in big games on a regular basis, too.

What made the Rockets better on paper is the Warriors coasting in the regular season, Kawhi being injured, and the rest of the West being weak. That's all led to a highly inflated record for the Rockets.

LMFAO, at one point this season the Rockets offense had the highest offensive efficiency OF ALL TIME IN NBA HISTORY.

The rest of the west is weak?? really??? The number 10 team in the west is 8 GAMES AHEAD of the number 10 team in the leastern conference (you know, the conference that Blake can't even lead his team to a playoff spot in).

Yawn. D'Antoni has been putting up monster offensive stats in the regular season his entire career. Last year's Rockets also put up one of the greatest offensive ratings of all time without CP0. Remind me again how that worked out for them against the Spurs in the playoffs?

Just because the East is top-heavy as usual doesn't mean the West is strong this year. It's not an either/or situation. Regardless of the standings, we all know the West is the Warriors and everyone else. Now let's look at who else Houston is competing with to be the other team on Golden State's highlight reel: a Blazers team with two players worth a shit; the Wolves without Jimmy Butler; the Thunder without Roberson's defense; the Pelicans without Cousins; the Clippers with Doc/Austin and without Beverley, Bradley, or Gallo; the Spurs without Kawhi; the Nuggets without Millsap for much of the year; the Jazz without Gobert for much of the year. Gee, I wonder why the Rockets have been racking up such an obscene number of wins!

Injuries are a part of the game period.....See Golden St. first championship...2nd round..conf finals and finals opponents all had key starters missing..do you put an asterisk by the 'ship???????

Mar 13, 2018 4:52pm
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@Htownfan, what do you think of Harden going to a strip club the night after getting eliminated?

 

http://www.tmz.com/2017/05/12/james-harden-club-rockets-playoffs-mvp-chant/

 

I think it's a bad look to do it the night after getting eliminated.  At least wait a few days, to get more separation from the loss.

 

I know Houston, Atlanta, and Portland have the most strip clubs per capita.  But I don't think Josh Smith went to strip clubs after Atlanta was eliminated, or Nic Batum went to strip clubs after Portland was eliminated, in their respective past playoffs runs.

Mar 13, 2018 5:08pm
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Houston is good but not a great team. They have journey men role players who will need to step up in playoffs for them to succeed.. Andersen, Tucker, Ariza, Gordon & Johnson... U can slow and stop CP3 . We’ve seen that.
Mar 13, 2018 5:11pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

@Htownfan, what do you think of Harden going to a strip club the night after getting eliminated?

 

http://www.tmz.com/2017/05/12/james-harden-club-rockets-playoffs-mvp-chant/

 

I think it's a bad look to do it the night after getting eliminated.  At least wait a few days, to get more separation from the loss.

 

I know Houston, Atlanta, and Portland have the most strip clubs per capita.  But I don't think Josh Smith went to strip clubs after Atlanta was eliminated, or Nic Batum went to strip clubs after Portland was eliminated, in their respective past playoffs runs.

What a player does in his off-time is none of my concern.....I just want him to bring it on the court....

Mar 13, 2018 5:27pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

MadFlabby wrote:

Rest of the west being weak?  Really?  The #10 seed (non playoff team) is 7 games over .500.  Come on guys.  Houston is good, stop acting like bitches about it.

 

 

Agreed.

I think Harden being a little bitch is easily conflated with Harden being a weak player. He's a great player...and a little bitch. He can be both. And the Rockets are a great team, despite their best player being a little bitch :)

 

I don't think Harden is a bitch.  And the Rockets are having a great season.

Yes, they are having a great season.

Yes, James Harden is a little bitch.

I think even HTown said if Harden was not on their team, he'd be annoyed by his playing style.

I mean, he even got fined for flopping!

So yeah, he's a little bitch. Great player, and a little bitch. 

 

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Nope I can't recall saying I would be annoyed....I may have said I see how people might be but what he does is a skill and not many people can do what he does...  He is an expert at it and if you really look he isnt flopping as much as you guys think.  He pulls his arms through a lot and on many of those "flops" he is strong enough to finish the shot and make it.....

 

That video above is quite old and way before he became the FT king.....

Mar 13, 2018 5:35pm
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Yes, flopping is a skill. So is clowning. And grifting. I am not denying he's very skilled.

I am saying part of his skill is perfectly the art of being a little flopping bitch. 

And when they finally address the flopping rules, he will suffer for it. Because he focused a lot on perfecting that "skill". A "skill" which makes the NBA worse.

It annoued me when CP3 would do it so often here as well...but not as much as Harden. Because Harden has perfected that "skill" even more than Chris Paul.

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Harden is absolutely a flopping bitch. 95% of his game is built on rigged officiating in the regular season (the rest is built on chucking).