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#1 May 7, 2018 11:24am
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Stan Van Gundy out as coach

Parted ways.. and Doc is still here at the moment.
May 7, 2018 12:19pm
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Yeah you had to fire him.
 
He was on the wrong side of the most one sided NBA trade of the season last year and he saddled that franchise with Blake's shitty deal for the next four years. That kills their franchise basically now and into the future.
 
No excuse for that, you gotta be fired for making that trade.
May 7, 2018 12:28pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Yeah you had to fire him.
 
He was on the wrong side of the most one sided NBA trade of the season last year and he saddled that franchise with Blake's shitty deal for the next four years. That kills their franchise basically now and into the future.
 
No excuse for that, you gotta be fired for making that trade.

 

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May 7, 2018 2:24pm
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Dear Detroit, Sorry about taking Kennard over Mitchell, overpaying Reggie Jackson, taking Stanley Johnson over getting four 1sts from Boston, ruining your salary cap with the Blake trade, and leaving you without a 2018 1st. I’m gonna go do TV, I’ll see you later. —Thanks, SVG

 

May 7, 2018 7:37pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Yeah you had to fire him.
 
He was on the wrong side of the most one sided NBA trade of the season last year and he saddled that franchise with Blake's shitty deal for the next four years. That kills their franchise basically now and into the future.
 
No excuse for that, you gotta be fired for making that trade.

There's a rumor floating around that the Suns might be 'kicking the tires' on Blake. 

May 8, 2018 7:43am
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Why didn't Doc have the ego to part ways with the Clippers when they took away his GM role?

May 8, 2018 8:37am
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Stan might be a dinosaur in the NBA right now.  Collecting high paid bigs that are primarily post players is not the way to go in the NBA anymore.  You need long limbed wings that run the court and hit three pointers.  Blake and Drummond sucking up 70% of the cap space is just not good strategy in the modern NBA.  Good for us because it really has taught teams you are not going to win with bigs playing under the basket any more so nobody is going to pay big bucks for DeAndre Jordan and we will probably get to keep him for at least another year.

May 8, 2018 8:48am
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Jordan isnt is a ball dominat post scorer, he is roll man/rebounder/rim protector, which is not comparable to Griffin and something that is still used and valued. In a league with ball dominant guards, bigs who can contribute off the ball with strong picks, offensive rebounding and finishing at the basket are good to have. Drummond is a kind of like Howard where he might be better if he simplied his game. Blake if he is going to salvage his career needs to be a more a face up drive and get to the line guy rather than post scorer or jump shooter, but he seems too afraid of contact to do that consistently.
May 8, 2018 9:05am
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We could make a lot better use of DJ if we had guys who could run the pick and roll on offense instead of guys like Beverley and Austin Rivers playing guards.  DJ should be used like Capela is used on the Rockets.  Set the pick then roll to the basket  People stay with him and Harden gets to the basket or shoots the jumpshot.  Read all about it in the new Sports Illustrated about D'Antoni's offense and why Chris Paul fits in so well in that system.  So yes DJ still has a lot of value in the league for teams that can use him the right way.  But you can't really make him a top banana scorer because he still has no offensive game on his own.  So I don't think anybody comes in and tries to max him out.  Maybe four years at 80 million or something like that.  Which we could do and we should do that kind of extension.

Blake seemed lost this last season.  Not a good defender so he does not help guard good wings or good post players.  And on offense he played the high post and passed the ball or shot which is basically the job of the point guard on offense.  Sure he is OK on offense but he doesn't have a dominant shot like Durant or anything.  Mainly his problem is that he can't jump anymore which has really limited both his defense and offense.

May 8, 2018 10:07am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Why didn't Doc have the ego to part ways with the Clippers when they took away his GM role?

Because Austin was still on the team, and Doc was never going to walk away from the chance to showcase his son at the team's expense.

May 8, 2018 11:02am
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mannycoon wrote:
Jordan isnt is a ball dominat post scorer, he is roll man/rebounder/rim protector, which is not comparable to Griffin and something that is still used and valued. In a league with ball dominant guards, bigs who can contribute off the ball with strong picks, offensive rebounding and finishing at the basket are good to have. Drummond is a kind of like Howard where he might be better if he simplied his game. Blake if he is going to salvage his career needs to be a more a face up drive and get to the line guy rather than post scorer or jump shooter, but he seems too afraid of contact to do that consistently.

You would be afraid of contact too if you got injured every 5 seconds.

May 8, 2018 2:02pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

We could make a lot better use of DJ if we had guys who could run the pick and roll on offense instead of guys like Beverley and Austin Rivers playing guards.  DJ should be used like Capela is used on the Rockets.  Set the pick then roll to the basket  People stay with him and Harden gets to the basket or shoots the jumpshot.  Read all about it in the new Sports Illustrated about D'Antoni's offense and why Chris Paul fits in so well in that system.  So yes DJ still has a lot of value in the league for teams that can use him the right way.  But you can't really make him a top banana scorer because he still has no offensive game on his own.  So I don't think anybody comes in and tries to max him out.  Maybe four years at 80 million or something like that.  Which we could do and we should do that kind of extension.

Blake seemed lost this last season.  Not a good defender so he does not help guard good wings or good post players.  And on offense he played the high post and passed the ball or shot which is basically the job of the point guard on offense.  Sure he is OK on offense but he doesn't have a dominant shot like Durant or anything.  Mainly his problem is that he can't jump anymore which has really limited both his defense and offense.

If someone offers 4 years/80 million or 3 years/60 million DJ will opt out. Less than that he will probably opt in.

May 11, 2018 8:50am
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Dwane Casey fired by the Raptors.
May 11, 2018 8:52am
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Now Casey would be an excellent choice to replace Doc with.  Don't extend Doc.  Get him and his entitled son out of here now.

May 11, 2018 8:54am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Now Casey would be an excellent choice to replace Doc with.  Don't extend Doc.  Get him and his entitled son out of here now.

Never mind Casey. Mike Budenholzer is somehow still available, and Ballmer would rather stick with Doc/Austin than bring him in. The incompetence of this franchise is just mind-numbing sometimes.

May 11, 2018 9:11am
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Toronto firing Casey in response to their playoff collapse is like if we had fired Doc after to the collapse against the Rockets, which we should have done. Doing so at that time would prevented the Austin situation from escalating as well.
May 11, 2018 9:18am
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mannycoon wrote:
Toronto firing Casey in response to their playoff collapse is like if we had fired Doc after to the collapse against the Rockets, which we should have done. Doing so at that time would prevented the Austin situation from escalating as well.

Couldn't agree more. The sad truth is that if Ballmer ever had the balls to make a coaching change, it would have happened back then. We're stuck with Doc until he retires.

May 11, 2018 11:22am
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Haven't we rejected Casey TWICE? 

May 11, 2018 11:56am
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OKC lost in first round despite having 3 current/former all-stars and POR got swept in first round with Lillard posting a 9.4 PER. No talk of those coaches being fired.

May 11, 2018 12:36pm
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What do you think is going to happen next season with Doc.  Its worse than Toronto.  He is going to have his son in the final year of his contract who should be benched, traded, or bought out and instead will be given minutes as if he were an All Star so he can try and earn a 50 million extension.  The thing that really turned me against Austin was that we keep hearing what a great defensive player he is.  More like a Jamal Crawford type of defender in my opinion.  Our starters got crushed on defense almost every game when he was starting.  He isn't a stopper.  He is too small to play shooting guard and not good enough as a playmaker to play point guard.  And he can't guard fast point guards or big shooting guards.  Other guys in his place could do better.  It really will irk me if Austin gets a big extension this year because from a basketball standpoint there is no way he has played good enough to deserve it.

May 11, 2018 12:43pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

OKC lost in first round despite having 3 current/former all-stars and POR got swept in first round with Lillard posting a 9.4 PER. No talk of those coaches being fired.

Sucks for those teams. Meanwhile, Doc turned a 57-win team built around three All-Stars into a 42-win team built around his son, and he's getting a contract extension for that!
May 11, 2018 1:01pm
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There was at least a little talk of Donovan getting fired, although Presti has publicly backed him since. There are definitely a good amount of Thunder fans that wouldn't mind seeing him gone. With Stotts I think the expectations are lower because they really aren't as talented as other teams in the West. Olshey seems to get the brunt of the criticism there.
May 12, 2018 5:30pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

 The thing that really turned me against Austin was that we keep hearing what a great defensive player he is.  More like a Jamal Crawford type of defender in my opinion.  Our starters got crushed on defense almost every game when he was starting.  He isn't a stopper.

 

He may be overrated as a defender, but comparing him to Jamal on defense couldn't be more of a difference. Jamal plays with no physicality kind of more like Redick but JJ at least knows where to be. Austin on the other hand is a physical defender and does well if you use him right. He's not going to do well guarding 6'8 wings, but that really shouldn't be his role so that's not on him.

 

Just like I think everyone would agree Jrue Holiday is a great defender, but the Pelicans put him on Durant in their series. He did as good a job as he could do too, but he is not the right type of defender to guard him so he got torched.