OT: Shohei Ohtani.

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#1 Oct 31, 2017 1:53pm
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Nov 22, 2017 8:37pm
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Thoughts, Rhy1244?

Nov 22, 2017 9:21pm
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If Otani was on the Twins, what if it was a Otani vs. Tanaka (Yankees) Wild Card game?

Has there ever been an elimination game with two Japanese starting pitchers?

Dec 8, 2017 12:59pm
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Dec 8, 2017 1:04pm
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nice! I'm an Angels fan too :)

Dec 8, 2017 2:55pm
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Angels open the season at Oakland.  4 game series.

 

Hopefully he can hit in the same game he starts, and he gets a chance to field a ball.

 

I meant field a ball after he switches to a OF position.

 

Dec 8, 2017 3:11pm
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Great news for the Angels. They also plucked Kevin Maitan from the Atlanta Braves. He was rated as the best prospect that the cheating Braves were forced to release. We needed to bolster our infield.

Dec 8, 2017 3:18pm
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Jimbo wrote:

Great news for the Angels. They also plucked Kevin Maitan from the Atlanta Braves. He was rated as the best prospect that the cheating Braves were forced to release. We needed to bolster our infield.

 

How did the Braves cheat?  I must have missed it.

 

I only remember about the Cardinals hacking into the Astros database in 2015.

 

Seeing the Astros recent success, the Cardinals were onto something.

Dec 8, 2017 3:24pm
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dAMNIT, woulda been better off w/my Padres.

Dec 8, 2017 4:43pm
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MadFlabby wrote:

dAMNIT, woulda been better off w/my Padres.

 

The A's beat writer thought the Padres would have been the best choice.  She said it was probably best that he pick a team that didn't have a previous Japanese star, thereby eliminating the Mariners and Dodgers.

 

She said going to a team like the Padres with no previous history would be a clean slate, and not in anyone's shadow.

 

I also thought a NL team would be better.  He wants hit hit and field.  

 

They might waive the DH option so he can hit in the AL, but if he wants to field, they'll have to sub him after he's done pitching to a OF spot.

 

 

Dec 8, 2017 7:03pm
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He won't play the field. He'll DH when he is not pitching, with Pujols getting some time at first.
Dec 8, 2017 7:50pm
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Well that sucks but at least Dodgers are stacked at both positions. 

Dec 8, 2017 8:57pm
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Dyce wrote:
He won't play the field. He'll DH when he is not pitching, with Pujols getting some time at first.

 

Thanks.  I'm surprised.  It sounded like he wanted to do it all.

Dec 8, 2017 10:17pm
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Sweet. Now they just have to find a way to get rid of Pujols' contract.
Dec 9, 2017 11:03am
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Great catch by the Angels.  Apparently he hits in the DH position on Tues, Weds, and Thursday.  Then he prepares to pitch on Friday and Saturday.  Then he pitches on Sunday.  Takes Monday off.  And repeats the cycle.  He has not played in the field lately from what I can tell.  Angels are going to support his efforts to hit and pitch like his old team did.  The DH rule doesn't just apply to pitchers does it?  Can you DH for any position player on the field?  When he pitches I think they still need to DH for him in the event that he gets knocked out of the game early and they do not want to be at a disadvantage the rest of the game by not having a DH.  He can DH those games when Pujols plays the field which may be twice a week or something.

Dec 9, 2017 11:18am
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I am excited for Otani, especially to be given a chance to regularly watch him in the US.

NL just wasn't as good a fit as AL. Letting him field is dumb.

 

Otani will really cause interesting problems.  If he is as good as expected, does he make the all star game as a dh and starter?  Does he get double pay for playing two positions?  (assuming he has to get voted in independently for dh and pitcher).  How will they rate his WAR?  as a pitcher?  As a hitter?  add both??  How will he work for fantasy baseball?  Otani the dh and Otani the pitcher, or do we draft one and slide him all over the place?

 

 

Dec 9, 2017 1:02pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Jimbo wrote:

Great news for the Angels. They also plucked Kevin Maitan from the Atlanta Braves. He was rated as the best prospect that the cheating Braves were forced to release. We needed to bolster our infield.

 

How did the Braves cheat?  I must have missed it.

 

I only remember about the Cardinals hacking into the Astros database in 2015.

 

Seeing the Astros recent success, the Cardinals were onto something.

Each team is allotted so much money for international players. To put it in a nutshell, they played a shell game of hiding the bonus money paid to international players. In their paper trail, it showed other money that they claimed was for non-international players to pay the international player bonuses. I believe that MLB forced them to release nine players.

Dec 10, 2017 8:35pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:

I am excited for Otani, especially to be given a chance to regularly watch him in the US.

NL just wasn't as good a fit as AL. Letting him field is dumb.

 

Otani will really cause interesting problems.  If he is as good as expected, does he make the all star game as a dh and starter?  Does he get double pay for playing two positions?  (assuming he has to get voted in independently for dh and pitcher).  How will they rate his WAR?  as a pitcher?  As a hitter?  add both??  How will he work for fantasy baseball?  Otani the dh and Otani the pitcher, or do we draft one and slide him all over the place?

 

 

 

LOL!  I didn't even think of this.

 

Would be funny if you had to draft him as both a hitter and pitcher.

Dec 10, 2017 8:36pm
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Jimbo wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

Jimbo wrote:

Great news for the Angels. They also plucked Kevin Maitan from the Atlanta Braves. He was rated as the best prospect that the cheating Braves were forced to release. We needed to bolster our infield.

 

How did the Braves cheat?  I must have missed it.

 

I only remember about the Cardinals hacking into the Astros database in 2015.

 

Seeing the Astros recent success, the Cardinals were onto something.

Each team is allotted so much money for international players. To put it in a nutshell, they played a shell game of hiding the bonus money paid to international players. In their paper trail, it showed other money that they claimed was for non-international players to pay the international player bonuses. I believe that MLB forced them to release nine players.

 

WOW.  Thanks.

Dec 10, 2017 8:37pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:

I am excited for Otani, especially to be given a chance to regularly watch him in the US.

NL just wasn't as good a fit as AL. Letting him field is dumb.

 

Otani will really cause interesting problems.  If he is as good as expected, does he make the all star game as a dh and starter?  Does he get double pay for playing two positions?  (assuming he has to get voted in independently for dh and pitcher).  How will they rate his WAR?  as a pitcher?  As a hitter?  add both??  How will he work for fantasy baseball?  Otani the dh and Otani the pitcher, or do we draft one and slide him all over the place?

 

 

 

Can he field adequately, though, in the OF?  What do you think? 

 

I'm glad to see you in this thread.

Dec 12, 2017 9:33am
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Actually he would have fit better in the national league.  He reminds me of Madison Bumgarner.  A pitcher who can also hit a lot of home runs.  That is what Ohtani really should have done(and it is Ohtani with an h).  I doubt that anybody can pitch and be a full time dh in the major leagues and do it effectively.  Bumgarner is the closest thing I have seen to having the talent to do both things and even he concentrates fully on the pitching aspect of the game.  So I think he probably does both things poorly and at some point he needs to decide to concentrate on one thing or the other.  Competition in the major leagues is much greater than in Japan.  It will take every bit of his effort and concentration to last even five innings against teams like the Houston Astros.  To expect him to hit major league curve balls on top of that is expecting a little too much.

Dec 12, 2017 12:27pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Actually he would have fit better in the national league.  He reminds me of Madison Bumgarner.  A pitcher who can also hit a lot of home runs.  That is what Ohtani really should have done(and it is Ohtani with an h). 

 

I can't believe I've misspelled his name for this long.  I mean, I've typed it this way for months now, and I didn't know it was wrong.  Wow.  Thanks.

Dec 12, 2017 12:32pm
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Actually he would have fit better in the national league.  He reminds me of Madison Bumgarner.  A pitcher who can also hit a lot of home runs.  That is what Ohtani really should have done(and it is Ohtani with an h).  I doubt that anybody can pitch and be a full time dh in the major leagues and do it effectively.  Bumgarner is the closest thing I have seen to having the talent to do both things and even he concentrates fully on the pitching aspect of the game.  So I think he probably does both things poorly and at some point he needs to decide to concentrate on one thing or the other.  Competition in the major leagues is much greater than in Japan.  It will take every bit of his effort and concentration to last even five innings against teams like the Houston Astros.  To expect him to hit major league curve balls on top of that is expecting a little too much.

Jeff Passan was on the radio.

 

He thinks they'll let him hit the first year, appease him the second year, and try to pull the plug by the 3rd year.  He doesn't think Ohtani can hit full time.

 

Passan also said it will be an adjustment going from a 6 man rotation in Japan to a 5 man one in the MLB.

 

Passan also told the story of Jeter telling Marty Scott he wasn't renewing him while Scott was having a kidney transplant.

 

I posted about it here.

 

Derek Jeter tells scout Marty Scott he won't be renewed while Scott has colon cancer and is getting a kidney transplant. 

Dec 12, 2017 12:35pm
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I believe that he chose the correct league. In the American league he can DH three time a week without ruining his preparation for his next start. Especially, if the team he plays for, goes with a six man rotation. If they decide that he is best suited to strictly pitch, they can waive the DH rule. I don't believe it would benefit him to play in the field, regardless of which league he plays in.

Dec 12, 2017 12:41pm
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I wanted to see a truly transcendent superstar that could pitch, hit, and field at the MLB level.

 

I also think, if you look at it this way, if he's DHing, then if he doesn't give you much in 4 plate appearance, then he didn't give you much for the game.

 

But if he's also fielding, there's at least 27 outs worth of chances he has to make an impact in the game.

 

Passan also compared his speed to Billy Hamilton.

 

If that's the case, that suggests he can at least track balls well.  And he can probably throw too, from the field.

Dec 12, 2017 12:58pm
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It's not an issue of he can't field, but rather any team would be crazy to risk having him injured diving for balls in the outfield.  Pitchers are too valuable for that.

Dec 12, 2017 1:27pm
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Dyce wrote:

It's not an issue of he can't field, but rather any team would be crazy to risk having him injured diving for balls in the outfield.  Pitchers are too valuable for that.

 

Isn't OF the safest fielding position?  Can't you just tell him "no diving"?

Dec 12, 2017 1:28pm
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I corrected the thread title.

Dec 12, 2017 1:30pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Actually he would have fit better in the national league.  He reminds me of Madison Bumgarner.  A pitcher who can also hit a lot of home runs.  That is what Ohtani really should have done(and it is Ohtani with an h). 

 

I can't believe I've misspelled his name for this long.  I mean, I've typed it this way for months now, and I didn't know it was wrong.  Wow.  Thanks.

 

I mis-spelled his name because that USA today article I linked to spelled it wrong.  sad  I guess I need to double check spelling names, and not rely on one source.

Dec 12, 2017 2:31pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

It's not an issue of he can't field, but rather any team would be crazy to risk having him injured diving for balls in the outfield.  Pitchers are too valuable for that.

 

Isn't OF the safest fielding position?  Can't you just tell him "no diving"?

 

Just like they tell most pitchers not to slide on the basepads.

 

Can't they tell Ohtani not to dive on the field for a ball?

Dec 12, 2017 3:18pm
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I just do not believe that he realizes how difficult it is to do any one job in the major leagues.  The pitching is much better than Japan so that makes dh'ing a lot tougher to do well.  The hitters are much better than in Japan so that makes it a lot tougher to pitch in the major leagues.  To ask him to excel in hitting or pitching is already asking him to do a lot at a much higher level of competition.  To do both I would suggest he spend a year in the minor leagues to see if he can do it at that level.  If he can than promote him to the majors and see if he can do it there.  Just way too much pressure to have him start in the majors and expect him to both hit and pitch at that level.  Maybe he should be a long reliever to start off.  Angels need to keep the pressure and press away from him for the first year.
 

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I just do not believe that he realizes how difficult it is to do any one job in the major leagues.  The pitching is much better than Japan so that makes dh'ing a lot tougher to do well.  The hitters are much better than in Japan so that makes it a lot tougher to pitch in the major leagues.  To ask him to excel in hitting or pitching is already asking him to do a lot at a much higher level of competition.  To do both I would suggest he spend a year in the minor leagues to see if he can do it at that level.  If he can than promote him to the majors and see if he can do it there.  Just way too much pressure to have him start in the majors and expect him to both hit and pitch at that level.  Maybe he should be a long reliever to start off.  Angels need to keep the pressure and press away from him for the first year.
 

I agree!

 

Dec 13, 2017 11:17am
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Dec 13, 2017 2:07pm
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He does not need surgery but it is a concern going forward.  Maybe he should concentrate on hitting and learning to play a position.  He tears that ucl and it is Tommy John type surgery and he is out a year at least.

Dec 13, 2017 8:28pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Actually he would have fit better in the national league.  He reminds me of Madison Bumgarner.  A pitcher who can also hit a lot of home runs.  That is what Ohtani really should have done(and it is Ohtani with an h). 

 

I can't believe I've misspelled his name for this long.  I mean, I've typed it this way for months now, and I didn't know it was wrong.  Wow.  Thanks.

 

I mis-spelled his name because that USA today article I linked to spelled it wrong.  sad  I guess I need to double check spelling names, and not rely on one source.

Honestly, Otani is a better spelling.  Ohtani is like spelling out Ichiroh.  I get its a transliteration to help people pronounce his name, but yeesh.  Hideoh Nohmoh.  Hirohki Kurohda.  Kohji Uehara..... Shoh-hei Ohtani...  But if that is how he wants it, I guess that's the way we should spell it.  His own first name doesn't follow the convention of using an h to help with the pronounciation of o.  

 

Dec 13, 2017 8:48pm
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Jimbo wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I just do not believe that he realizes how difficult it is to do any one job in the major leagues.  The pitching is much better than Japan so that makes dh'ing a lot tougher to do well.  The hitters are much better than in Japan so that makes it a lot tougher to pitch in the major leagues.  To ask him to excel in hitting or pitching is already asking him to do a lot at a much higher level of competition.  To do both I would suggest he spend a year in the minor leagues to see if he can do it at that level.  If he can than promote him to the majors and see if he can do it there.  Just way too much pressure to have him start in the majors and expect him to both hit and pitch at that level.  Maybe he should be a long reliever to start off.  Angels need to keep the pressure and press away from him for the first year.
 

I agree!

 

I disagree.  Ohtani hit .322 with 20+ Hr in Japan in 300 ab's.  He has a legit chance at being the modern Babe Ruth.  If he misses his chance to hit, he'll never get another opportunity like this.  Chances are he'll hit like .260 with maybe 15 hr.  He needs to go for it.  If he fails at hitting, so be it.  

Japanese position players who can hit in the big leagues are few and far between.  But Ohtani certainly has the talent and the youth to be able to succeed as a hitter too.  He us uniquely young for a Japanese talent to hit stateside.  He seems to have good bat speed.  

Dec 13, 2017 9:25pm
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The Angels needed to do something big, bc all the attention was to the Dodgers. They need to continue this.

Dec 14, 2017 12:05pm
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Jeff Passan also said he hasn't fielded since 2014.  I hadn't realized it had been that long.

 

 

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Fri, Jun 8
 
Angels placed RHP Shohei Ohtani on the 10-day disabled list, retroactive to June 7, with a Grade 2 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow.
 
Advice: Yikes. Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan reported back in December that Ohtani was dealing with a Grade 1 UCL sprain, and it appears that the tear in his elbow has gotten worse. The right-hander was given platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections Thursday and will be re-evaluated in three weeks. Obviously, this is a massive blow to the Angels and to Ohtani's fantasy owners. Tommy John surgery could eventually be in his future, but the hope is he'll be able to rest and rehab the injury.