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Jan 7, 2018 1:05pm
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I submitted a request for missing points for the AMC Stubs rewards program last week.

I didn't hear anything back.

Today, I called their customer support number, even though they tell you at the beginning that if you're calling for missing points, then to do it online, and to only use the phone system for other things.

I was on hold for 41 minutes before someone answered.  They seemed to play music from popular movie soundtracks.

The person that answered was able to get me my missing points.

So, even though I was on hold for a long time, at least it got resolved quickly once someone answered.

Jan 7, 2018 1:56pm
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Best movies of 2017:

Dunkirk - Great job by Nolan in using three different timelines to depict a genre war movie into a completely unique new type of art form.  The non-linear war drama.

Star Wars - The Last Jedi -  Best Star Wars movie since the Empire Strikes Back.  Finally, the resistance takes a licking and barely keeps ticking.  Great use of Leia and Luke in their returns to the big screen.

Logan - the last X for Wolverine.  Really an R rated movie and serious for a change.  Loved the way they ended the lives of the major characters.

Three Billboards Outside of Ebbings Misouri - Best noir movie since Fargo.  Great acting by the cast all around.  Great story great directing.

Darkest Hour - Most exciting movie of the year.  Churchill on the brink of letting the Nazis take over the world in May of 1940.  Depicts well some of the greatest speeches in the history of the world given by him to rally the parliament and the English people.  Good take on King George.  Oldham great at playing Churchill.

Jan 7, 2018 2:08pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Best movies of 2017:

Dunkirk - Great job by Nolan in using three different timelines to depict a genre war movie into a completely unique new type of art form.  The non-linear war drama.

 

 

I didn't know it was going to be non-linear.

 

So I was a bit confused during the movie.  The timeline with the plane about to crash, kept throwing me off, because I didn't understand how it fit in relation to the guys escaping via boat.

 

This is a movie I might have to watch again, and talk about it beforehand, to enjoy it more.

 

Or maybe you can post your thoughts.

Jan 8, 2018 9:41am
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The mole (beachhead) was one week.  The rescue boat was one day.  And the plane was one hour.  So most of the movie was focused on the events that the pilot of the plane experienced.  And instead of going forward in time events were going backward to explain how they got to the events that the pilot was experiencing.  For example, there was a boat getting sunk with many soldiers on it that the pilot was watching.  Then the next scene they show that same boat stranded on the beach because the tide went out.  Soldiers hide in it and get shot at by the Nazis.  Then the tide comes in and the boat gets afloat and washes out to sea with the men on it.  Then it progresses back to the point where the pilot witnesses it being sunk.  So the audience may expect the movie to progress forward in time when actually it is going backward in time to show what led to the events the pilot in the plane is experiencing.  Just a great and innovative way to tell a story.  It is kind of like "Memento" which starts at the end of the story and progresses back to the beginning of the story.  Another great Christopher Nolan movie.  Hopefullly, Dunkirk has more luck with the Oscars than it did with the Golden Globes.

Jan 8, 2018 10:40am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

The mole (beachhead) was one week.  The rescue boat was one day.  And the plane was one hour.  So most of the movie was focused on the events that the pilot of the plane experienced.  And instead of going forward in time events were going backward to explain how they got to the events that the pilot was experiencing.  For example, there was a boat getting sunk with many soldiers on it that the pilot was watching.  Then the next scene they show that same boat stranded on the beach because the tide went out.  Soldiers hide in it and get shot at by the Nazis.  Then the tide comes in and the boat gets afloat and washes out to sea with the men on it.  Then it progresses back to the point where the pilot witnesses it being sunk.  So the audience may expect the movie to progress forward in time when actually it is going backward in time to show what led to the events the pilot in the plane is experiencing.  Just a great and innovative way to tell a story.  It is kind of like "Memento" which starts at the end of the story and progresses back to the beginning of the story.  Another great Christopher Nolan movie.  Hopefullly, Dunkirk has more luck with the Oscars than it did with the Golden Globes.

 

I hadn't heard of the term beachhead until your post.

 

Thanks.

 

Memento was easier to follow because it was still one story thread, not 3.

Jan 8, 2018 12:27pm
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Downsizing pissed me off that I wasted 2 hours of my life that I will never get back

 

Downsizing was a long, hot mess.  It looked really original and funny in the trailer, so we went on a spur of the moment. It was the kind of movie that makes you wonder how it ever got written, directed, or released in it's current form. It looked like they didn't know where they wanted to go with it, so they hit to all fields.  While driving home I came up with five easy ideas that could have made it a good movie.

Jan 8, 2018 1:40pm
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I thought Downsizing was an OK movie.  Something that had no angst or drama or laughs.  Just something that was out there and mildly amusing.  It has a lot in common with "The Shape of Water".  That movie mute woman falls in love with the creature because she sees the good in him.  This movie the guy falls in love with the deformed asian woman because he gets to know her and finds something worthwhile there.  I guess it isn't everybody's cup of tea but a decent enough movie.

Jan 8, 2018 2:21pm
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I saw both Golden Globe winners--Three Billboards and Lady Bird. Both were good but neither blew me away like La La Land did last year. Awards season will be pretty boring this year, especially if there will be a lot of attention on sexual harassment. I support the cause, obviously, but don't want to feel like I'm part of the enemy.

Jan 8, 2018 2:54pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I saw both Golden Globe winners--Three Billboards and Lady Bird. Both were good but neither blew me away like La La Land did last year. Awards season will be pretty boring this year, especially if there will be a lot of attention on sexual harassment. I support the cause, obviously, but don't want to feel like I'm part of the enemy.

 

Why did La La Land blow you away?  (I haven't seen it.)

Jan 8, 2018 2:57pm
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Of the comedies this year I would rank them as follows:

1.  I, Tonya - really funny the foul mouthed abusive mother and the husband who liked to whack her around.  Sensational script.  Great acting by Allison Janney and Margot Robbie as Tonya Harding.

2.  The Big Sick - Great comedy about inter-racial dating and how different cultures view the mating ritual.  Has a lot of drama with the love interest in a coma and dying.

3.  Lady Bird - Good coming of age movie with sensational script and acting by Saorise Ronan and Laurie Metcalf.

4.  Their Finest - Pretty serious drama with comedic moments about Britain in 1940 after Dunkirk and during the Nazi blitz.  Gemma Atherton very good in this movie.

5.  Get Out - A social satire movie disguised as a horror movie that is actually pretty funny in parts about how black people caught up in a white society are treated.  Good movie but I think a bit over-rated by the critics.

6.  Beauty and the Beast -  Why was this not nominated?  A retread of an animated feature for sure but a real good remake of a classic movie.  Did not make my top five so maybe the HFP felt the same way I did.  Why reward a remake.  But I wanted to list at least one musical since it is the only one I saw all year.

Jan 8, 2018 6:39pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I saw both Golden Globe winners--Three Billboards and Lady Bird. Both were good but neither blew me away like La La Land did last year. Awards season will be pretty boring this year, especially if there will be a lot of attention on sexual harassment. I support the cause, obviously, but don't want to feel like I'm part of the enemy.

 

To me, the Me Too movement has been like the French Revolution: Sure, the monarchy was bad, but going around chopping everybody's head off indiscriminately wasn't much better.

 

 

Jan 19, 2018 10:06am
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CorkScrew wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I saw both Golden Globe winners--Three Billboards and Lady Bird. Both were good but neither blew me away like La La Land did last year. Awards season will be pretty boring this year, especially if there will be a lot of attention on sexual harassment. I support the cause, obviously, but don't want to feel like I'm part of the enemy.

 

To me, the Me Too movement has been like the French Revolution: Sure, the monarchy was bad, but going around chopping everybody's head off indiscriminately wasn't much better.

 

 

 

I am not familiar with the Me Too movement.

 

But ClipperSisyphus isn't the enemy.  He's not abusing or harassing others.

 

The ones that are, and the ones that let it continue, are the enemy.  Jerry Sandusky's wife saw many suspicious things, but let it continue.

 

There are women at fault too.  There's women bosses and executives that either let it continue; or don't report when someone comes forward; or will say things like "he's just flirting" or "he just gets that way when he's drunk" (when it comes to workplace harassment).  It's not just a male thing.

Jan 19, 2018 10:25am
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'The Walk' is worth a look for a different kind of suspense and a unique artistry of French high wire-walker Philippe Petit. Beautifully shot with simple characters in a simple story attempting an extraordinary feat. Solid film.

Jan 19, 2018 10:29am
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clipsentuboca wrote:

'The Walk' is worth a look for a different kind of suspense and a unique artistry of French high wire-walker Philippe Petit. Beautifully shot with simple characters in a simple story attempting an extraordinary feat. Solid film.

 

Thank you.  I'll add it to the DVR wishlist.

Jan 19, 2018 1:12pm
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I watched The Disaster Artist and The Shape of Water. They were decent but I still haven't seen a 2017 movie that blew me away.

TV, on the other hand, is more interesting right now. GoT, Curb Your Enthusiasm and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend are pretty good. I just started the People vs. O.J. on Netflix. Dave Chappelle is, hands down, the best standup comedian working and all of his specials on Netflix are worth watching.

Feb 22, 2018 1:51pm
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I just finished the Altered Carbon series on Netflix.  I really liked it a lot and got through all 10 episodes in 4 days. Its a pretty good science fiction action detective series where people can rehost their conscious in different bodies, and the twists that can cause in a murder case amongst a corrupt elite class.

Mar 3, 2018 9:34am
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2018 Oscars Predictions:

 

 

 Best Picture -
Best Director -
Best Actor -
Best Actress -
Supporting Actor -

Supporting Actress -
Best Foreign Film -

Best Animated -
Best Costume -
Best Makeup -

Tiebreaker:

Best Song -
Best Sound Editing -

 


Spoiler: Highlight to view

 Best Picture - Lady Bird
Best Director - “Dunkirk,” Christopher Nolan
Best Actor - Gary Oldman, “Darkest Hour”
Best Actress - Saoirse Ronan, “Lady Bird”
Supporting Actor - Woody Harrelson, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Supporting Actress - Laurie Metcalf, “Lady Bird”
Best Foreign Film - “A Fantastic Woman” (Chile)

Best Animated - “Ferdinand,” Carlos Saldanha
Best Costume - “Darkest Hour,” Jacqueline Durran
Best Makeup - “Darkest Hour,” Kazuhiro Tsuji, David Malinowski, Lucy Sibbick

Tiebreaker:

Best Song - “Mighty River” from “Mudbound,” Mary J. Blige
Best Sound Editing - “Dunkirk,” Alex Gibson, Richard King


 

Mar 3, 2018 9:43am
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No

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Mar 4, 2018 1:10am
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nuraman00 wrote:

2018 Oscars Predictions:

 

 

 Best Picture -
Best Director -
Best Actor -
Best Actress -
Supporting Actor -

Supporting Actress -
Best Foreign Film -

Best Animated -
Best Costume -
Best Makeup -

Tiebreaker:

Best Song -
Best Sound Editing -

 


Spoiler: Highlight to view

 Best Picture - Lady Bird
Best Director - “Dunkirk,” Christopher Nolan
Best Actor - Gary Oldman, “Darkest Hour”
Best Actress - Saoirse Ronan, “Lady Bird”
Supporting Actor - Woody Harrelson, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Supporting Actress - Laurie Metcalf, “Lady Bird”
Best Foreign Film - “A Fantastic Woman” (Chile)

Best Animated - “Ferdinand,” Carlos Saldanha
Best Costume - “Darkest Hour,” Jacqueline Durran
Best Makeup - “Darkest Hour,” Kazuhiro Tsuji, David Malinowski, Lucy Sibbick

Tiebreaker:

Best Song - “Mighty River” from “Mudbound,” Mary J. Blige
Best Sound Editing - “Dunkirk,” Alex Gibson, Richard King


 

 

Not to argue with any of your choices specifically, but these are "predictions" and you are completely leaving out Steven Spielberg and The Post? Seriously?

 

 

Mar 4, 2018 3:55pm
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looking forward to Sujfan Stevens blowing everyone away like Shirley Bassie doing Goldfinger a few years ago, but in a different kind of way mind. His backing band includes starlet St. Vincent on guitar amoungst them. Only part of the entire thing will tape it for. What's up with this site today? Increase the bandwidth, man.
Mar 5, 2018 9:30am
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"The Post" was probably the worst movie by far of all the nominees.  Not surprising at all that it got shut out of oscars.  Only award that was surprising was "Shape of Water" winning best picture.  Thought it would be "Three Billboards Outside of Ebbing, Misouri".  Good to see a science fiction movie win for a change although I did not like it very much when I saw it.  I guess other people read more into than I did.

Mar 5, 2018 10:16am
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The Shape of Water was ok. Of the 4 nominees I saw, Three Billboards might have been more deserving.

I, Tonya was pretty funny. Well deserved Oscar for Allison Janney.

Mar 5, 2018 10:44am
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I have still not seen three of the 9 best picture nominees. Dunkirk was fine, but Darkest Hour was better. The Post was...ok. I, Tonya and Ladybird both had excellent acting and were lighter. 3 Billboards was dark, but the acting was superb there as well. Get Out was a solid Hitchcockian thriller. 

Not sure if I want to see Phantom Thread (though Daniel Day-Lewis is great), The Florida Project, Molly’s Game, or Mudbound.

Still want to see: Shape of Water, Call me by your name, Loving Vincent, Victoria and Abdul, and War for the Planet of the Apes. 

Baby Driver, Bladerunner 2049, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, The Greatest Showman, and Coco were all excellent. 

Mar 5, 2018 12:45pm
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CorkScrew wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

2018 Oscars Predictions:

 

 

 Best Picture -
Best Director -
Best Actor -
Best Actress -
Supporting Actor -

Supporting Actress -
Best Foreign Film -

Best Animated -
Best Costume -
Best Makeup -

Tiebreaker:

Best Song -
Best Sound Editing -

 


Spoiler: Highlight to view

 Best Picture - Lady Bird
Best Director - “Dunkirk,” Christopher Nolan
Best Actor - Gary Oldman, “Darkest Hour”
Best Actress - Saoirse Ronan, “Lady Bird”
Supporting Actor - Woody Harrelson, “Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Supporting Actress - Laurie Metcalf, “Lady Bird”
Best Foreign Film - “A Fantastic Woman” (Chile)

Best Animated - “Ferdinand,” Carlos Saldanha
Best Costume - “Darkest Hour,” Jacqueline Durran
Best Makeup - “Darkest Hour,” Kazuhiro Tsuji, David Malinowski, Lucy Sibbick

Tiebreaker:

Best Song - “Mighty River” from “Mudbound,” Mary J. Blige
Best Sound Editing - “Dunkirk,” Alex Gibson, Richard King


 

 

Not to argue with any of your choices specifically, but these are "predictions" and you are completely leaving out Steven Spielberg and The Post? Seriously?

 

 

 

That is pretty funny.  It was an oversight.  It was also only nominated for 2 awards from that list, so not as many opportunities.

 

I know I thought about it for Lead Actress.

Mar 5, 2018 12:48pm
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I haven't seen a lot of the movies.  But I had a greater desire to watch some of the nominees and winners from the past few years, than I did for this year.

 

(Even if I still haven't seen some of the ones from past years, I still want to.)

Mar 5, 2018 12:53pm
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It's too bad the speech was cut off for J. Miles Dale during Best Picture.

May 26, 2018 1:08pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Star Wars - The Last Jedi -  Best Star Wars movie since the Empire Strikes Back.  Finally, the resistance takes a licking and barely keeps ticking.  Great use of Leia and Luke in their returns to the big screen.

 

Mistwell wrote:

Baby Driver, Bladerunner 2049, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, The Greatest Showman, and Coco were all excellent. 

 

 

I watched it last weekend.

The first 15 minutes was really silly.  They sent BB8 to the control panel of a ship.  Sparks flew out, so he stuck a probe from his body.

Then other parts of the control panel were short circuiting, so he kept sticking more and more probes to try and alleviate the problem.

None of this is realistic.  This moment was geared too much towards comedy.

I thought Star Wars was supposed to be about action and drama between conflicting parties.  I didn't think it they were going to simplify it for comedic purposes.

I think episodes 4 - 6, while I haven't seen them in 21 years (when the Special Editions were released), took the events more seriously.

I just wasn't in the mood for something like this.

If I wanted a comedy, I would have watched the "Short Circuit" movies.

This movie also seems to be one of those, during the action scenes, where you just have to accept what is happening, and not think about them too hard.  There isn't much "what are our options" thinking.  They just tell you what choices are left, and you have to accept it, even if you think there's always another option they could have done.

Other than that, the stories surrounding Kylo Ren, Rey, Luke Skywalker, and Leia were all right.

The stories around Poe, Finn, and Rose were predictable.

 

May 26, 2018 8:26pm
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I signed up for MoviePass this month: $10/month to see a different movie every day at the theater. So far I've seen Avengers, Deadpool and 3 indie movies.

The company reimburses the theater the full cost of the ticket so they are losing a ton of money. Sign up now before they go out of business.

May 27, 2018 8:31am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I signed up for MoviePass this month: $10/month to see a different movie every day at the theater. So far I've seen Avengers, Deadpool and 3 indie movies.

The company reimburses the theater the full cost of the ticket so they are losing a ton of money. Sign up now before they go out of business.

 

Century Theaters has a $8.99 a month subscription for one movie a month.  There's rollover too, so if you miss a month, you can watch 2 the next month.

 

https://www.cinemark.com/movieclub

 

Does Movie Pass work with any brand theater?

 

It looks like the subscription used to be $7 a month:

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/31/after-2-million-subscribers-nationwide-moviepass-is-having-ripple-effects-on-moviegoers-local-theaters/

 

From a practical standpoint, someone should probably choose either these movie subscription programs, or Netflix.  One of those is enough to get fulfillment of movies.

 

(I have neither).

May 27, 2018 8:48am
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nuraman00 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

I signed up for MoviePass this month: $10/month to see a different movie every day at the theater. So far I've seen Avengers, Deadpool and 3 indie movies.

The company reimburses the theater the full cost of the ticket so they are losing a ton of money. Sign up now before they go out of business.

 

Century Theaters has a $8.99 a month subscription for one movie a month.  There's rollover too, so if you miss a month, you can watch 2 the next month.

 

https://www.cinemark.com/movieclub

 

Does Movie Pass work with any brand theater?

 

It looks like the subscription used to be $7 a month:

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/31/after-2-million-subscribers-nationwide-moviepass-is-having-ripple-effects-on-moviegoers-local-theaters/

 

From a practical standpoint, someone should probably choose either these movie subscription programs, or Netflix.  One of those is enough to get fulfillment of movies.

 

(I have neither).

MoviePass covers most of the theaters in the Bay Area. I don't know about SoCal. A movie ticket in SF can be as high as $16, so I made back the subscription on my first movie. You have the potential to see 30 different movies each month but the reality is there is only about 2-3 movies per month that I want to see.

Netflix is going hard on original programming over recent blockbusters or classic movies. Their original stuff is very hit or miss. I would cancel the subscription if it were up to me, but my daughter would mutiny if I did that.

May 27, 2018 9:51am
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If you want to see a movie in 3D, or with one of those special projectors, do you just pay the difference?

May 27, 2018 9:53am
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I have a feeling Movie Pass will probably change at some point to be more like the Century Movie Club plan, where it's one movie a month. 

 

This current business model isn't sustainable, unless the movie theaters want to share some of the profits with Movie Pass, which they don't.

May 27, 2018 11:03am
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nuraman00 wrote:

I have a feeling Movie Pass will probably change at some point to be more like the Century Movie Club plan, where it's one movie a month. 

 

This current business model isn't sustainable, unless the movie theaters want to share some of the profits with Movie Pass, which they don't.

The business model isn't sustainable so I am taking advantage of it while I can. Their parent company is about to run out of cash:

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/moviepass-stock-record-low-1202822933/

 

Jun 11, 2018 8:06pm
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I've now seen 8 movies for $20 through MoviePass. I can recommend: The Death of Stalin, Upgrade, Ocean's 8 and Avengers Infinity War.

Jun 11, 2018 8:39pm
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There is also the Sinema movie, which is any theater, including getting tickets online and reserving your seat, 1 movie a month is $5, 2 is $7, $10 for 2 movies including 3d and IMAX.

Jun 11, 2018 9:21pm
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With MoviePass, if there is a 3D or IMAX movie, can you just pay an upgrade fee for the difference?

 

Same with Sinema.  If you have the $5 plan, and there's a 3D or IMAX movie, can you just pay the difference at the box office?

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nuraman00 wrote:

With MoviePass, if there is a 3D or IMAX movie, can you just pay an upgrade fee for the difference?

No

 

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Same with Sinema.  If you have the $5 plan, and there's a 3D or IMAX movie, can you just pay the difference at the box office?

No. 

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Thanks.  :(

Jun 14, 2018 4:46pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

Star Wars - The Last Jedi -  Best Star Wars movie since the Empire Strikes Back.  Finally, the resistance takes a licking and barely keeps ticking.  Great use of Leia and Luke in their returns to the big screen.

 

Mistwell wrote:

Baby Driver, Bladerunner 2049, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, The Greatest Showman, and Coco were all excellent. 

 

 

I watched it last weekend.

The first 15 minutes was really silly.  They sent BB8 to the control panel of a ship.  Sparks flew out, so he stuck a probe from his body.

Then other parts of the control panel were short circuiting, so he kept sticking more and more probes to try and alleviate the problem.

None of this is realistic.  This moment was geared too much towards comedy.

I thought Star Wars was supposed to be about action and drama between conflicting parties.  I didn't think it they were going to simplify it for comedic purposes.

I think episodes 4 - 6, while I haven't seen them in 21 years (when the Special Editions were released), took the events more seriously.

I just wasn't in the mood for something like this.

If I wanted a comedy, I would have watched the "Short Circuit" movies.

This movie also seems to be one of those, during the action scenes, where you just have to accept what is happening, and not think about them too hard.  There isn't much "what are our options" thinking.  They just tell you what choices are left, and you have to accept it, even if you think there's always another option they could have done.

Other than that, the stories surrounding Kylo Ren, Rey, Luke Skywalker, and Leia were all right.

The stories around Poe, Finn, and Rose were predictable.

 

while visually stunning, the last Jedi was probably the worst star wars movie. It kind of breaks or undermines the whole Star Wars universe.
Jun 14, 2018 4:58pm
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I could see how Last Jedi might not please everyone, but I really dont see how anyone could rate it below Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. If want to talk about breaking the universe, the whole midichlorians nonsense from Phantom Menace does more than anything else. Most of the people who seem really upset about Last Jedi seem really upset is has frumpy asian woman in a major role, it has too many female authority figures, but that doesnt seem like the sort of person that would post here.
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I could see how Last Jedi might not please everyone, but I really dont see how anyone could rate it below Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. If want to talk about breaking the universe, the whole midichlorians nonsense from Phantom Menace does more than anything else. Most of the people who seem really upset about Last Jedi seem really upset is has frumpy asian woman in a major role, it has too many female authority figures, but that doesnt seem like the sort of person that would post here.

I've only seen the movie once, and it's been a while.  I'll try to go over the things I didn't like about the movie as I think of them.  I want to mention that there are indeed things I like about the movie...I don't have the VFHS hatred toward the movie or anything.

Most of my complaints come in either nitpicks or worldbreaking.  I'll try to distinguish them.

1) The first order's high command is dumb/incompetent.  The opening scene has Poe fly up to the dreadnaught.  No tie fighters are scrambled.  No star destroyers lock on to the small fighter.  Poe then proceeds to annoy the general (who should be an admiral?), to no adverse consequence.  Poe then single handed takes out several cannons.  Then the other star destroyers just kind of sit there.  The resistance just flies away without a star destroyer containing them.  The empire was always seen as overconfident, but competent.  This is what made it rewarding for the rebellion to outsmart them or outmaneuver them.  This is more of a nitpick, then anything else.  But it isn't consistent with the overall picture of the empire in the universe.

2) Luke, who risked his life because he saw good in Darth Vader, pulls his lightsabre on Ben Solo.  We are introduced to Ben Solo/Kylo Ren.  He doesn't seem nearly as irredeembly bad as Vader.  yeah, this is totally inconsistent with Luke's character.  I know in the non-canonical SW universe Luke joins the dark side, but that didn't happen here.  I get that the movie is about failure, growth and redemption, but it is inconsistent with Luke's character.  

3) Leia survives the vacuum of space, then force pulls herself to safety.  Thus far, no one exhibits power like this.  Somehow Leia has a unique force power.  It just creates some inconsistency in the universe...nothing too annoying though, but I do think it is problematic.

4) Yoda summons force lightning as force apparition.  I do think this kind of breaks the universe in that it creates inconsistency.  If strong force users apparitions could do so, why have they never done it before?  And if they could do it, why would it happen on something so trivial?  If strong force users could impact the world like that, the world should never have gotten so bad.  Lightning from the heavens should have prevented it.

5) Vice admiral pink hair doesn't say she has a plan.  I can't think of a single reason why she won't tell Poe that she has a plan just can't tell Poe yet.  Ultimately this is done to spur the whole gambling world side quest, but it is only done as a plot device and makes Pink hair seem really dumb.  Poe would have been second in command but was recently demoted, but he can't know she has a plan?  Telling the hot headed Poe to just trust her without saying she has a plan is basically asking for him to do something dumb.  I know this is a bit nitpicky, but was extremely annoying and distracting.  

6) It is implied that the size of the ship controls how fast it can go.  Star Destroyers are larger therefore slower and can't catch up.  This makes no sense in space.  Further, it is inconsistent with the opening scene of a new hope where a star destroyer tractor beams the corellian corvette.  further, if they know  the rough trajectory of the resistance fleet, then they can send star destroyers ahead via lightspeed then stop them.  

7) The star ship bombers are completely impractical.  They move too slowly.  The bombs can only drop down.  And...Y-Wings already seem like superior bombers.  This is a nitpick, but it just goes to show that the director just wanted to do something cool rather than make a smart, consistent plot.  Even if the gravity in space works in such a way for the bombs to fall down, why would anyone engineer a space fighter like that?  It is completely impractical.  Why build a bomber that moves slower than a star destroyer?  (those things were really slow)

8) The Capital Ship going into lightspeed to destroy the first order's fleet was very cool, but breaks the universe.  Lightspeed has been around for a long time in this universe.  People must have known what would happen if they ran into things while in lightspeed.  If it is that destructive, then making the death star as a weapon doesn' t make sense.  It should have been destroyed by an empty capital ship that just rammed into it at lightspeed.  both death stars and the planet killer base should have died that way.  All capital ships become giant targets for kamikaze lightspeed attacks.  They are too fast to respond to, and 100% effective.  Lightspeed attacks like this can't exist.  

I suppose that is what comes to mind right now.  There were a lot of things I did like about the movie.  I didn't like it as a star wars movie though.  It interacts with the star wars universe in bad ways.  As a stand alone movie, the last jedi is superior to the phantom menace and probably attack of the clones.  (I've only seen each of those once, and it's been a long while).  Remember when the Millenium Falcon was running away from the star destroyers and barely keeping ahead only to ultimately outsmart the empire to escape?  Somehow now the entire resistance fleet is just a tiny bit faster than the star destroyers that chased the falcon.   All the attack runs on the death stars are trivial now, because we know they could have just rammed a ship after ship after ship into the death stars at light speed.  Thanks to anyone who reads this.  

 

Jun 15, 2018 10:25am
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Rhy1244][quote=nuraman00 wrote:

 while visually stunning, the last Jedi was probably the worst star wars movie. It kind of breaks or undermines the whole Star Wars universe.

 

What did it break or undermine?  Can you please expand on this?

Jun 15, 2018 10:26am
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Ok, let me read your post # 293.

 

(I can't edit posts since I was the topic starter.)

Jun 15, 2018 10:31am
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mannycoon wrote:
I could see how Last Jedi might not please everyone, but I really dont see how anyone could rate it below Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. If want to talk about breaking the universe, the whole midichlorians nonsense from Phantom Menace does more than anything else. Most of the people who seem really upset about Last Jedi seem really upset is has frumpy asian woman in a major role, it has too many female authority figures, but that doesnt seem like the sort of person that would post here.

 

No, I didn't have a problem with female authority figures.  I was more annoyed that Poe's storyline was predictable.  It seemed likely that Holdo did have valid reasons for the strategy, it's just that they wouldn't be clear until later.  It was predictable that the brash Poe would realize the plan, later.

Jun 15, 2018 10:35am
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Your point # 1 explains it.  Agree, dumb/incompetent.

 

Like I said, you sort of have to accept what is happening on screen during the action scenes, even if you think there were more logical or reasonable options they could have taken.

Jun 15, 2018 10:40am
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Yes, you also touched on the Holdo vs. Poe dynamics.  It seemed contrived, childish, and didn't seem to reflect on a military-like organization's chain of command.  Nor did key members employ trust in each other, which is what is needed in that type of environment.

Jun 15, 2018 10:49am
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Rhy1244 wrote:

Thanks to anyone who reads this.  

 

 

Your welcome.  It was a good read.

 

I'm a fan of longform posts and emails  

 

That's another reason why I don't have a Twitter account, and only look at Twitter when it relates to fantasy sports updates.

Jun 15, 2018 11:48am
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I appreciate the long response too.  It's good to see a highly critical post of it that that goes beyond "OMG the SJW libtards ruined Star Wars!!" which is the bulk of the more severe criticism of it on the internet and was the sort of thought process that led to a bunch of dicks driving Kelly Marie Tran off the internet.  A lot geeky sub cultures on the internet have become really gross and it's definitely not limited to Star Wars.

I'm not going to respond point by point, but have a few thoughts.  First I think the science and technology of the series has largely be been impractical nonsense since day one that has largely existed to drive action sequences, so I don't think that is anything new; force powers fall into a similar category.  I agree it would be nice if there was more internal consistency though, but I don't think that ever been the case.  On the thematic points, I think those are things were people can reasonably agree or disagree, and like the movie more or less.

In general I think it goes into the group of Star Wars movies that are a mixed bags which includes Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Force Awakens and Rogue One.  I haven't seen Solo, but from what I've heard it largely belong to this group as well.  The first two movies I think are clearly the top of the heap, but they had originality and less baggage and expectations going for them, which is impossible to replicate this far in.  Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are more or less irredeemable shit heaps; for the newer movies dislike comes from the themes or nitpicks or lack of consitency or lack of originality or predictiblity, but for those two the dislike is immediate and obvious whether it is Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christenson, "I hate sand" romance, Pod Races which seem to exist purely to sell video games, or boring long winded political/economic talk somehow existing side by side with that.  They are quite a bit more ambitious than the Wilford Brimley Ewok movie, but don't know if they are better.

One thing Force Awakens is clearly trying to set up, is it own new expanded universe, so much like Marvel they can pump out new movies every year forever.  I fully expect standalone Finn and Poe movies not long after this new trilogy wraps up and the multithreaded storytelling was part of setting that up (and I think trying to do it with new characters is better than trying more prequels, because it gives more freedom to go their own direction, a Poe X-Wing series won't have nearly as much baggage as a Wedge Antilles series would).  It will be interesting to see how well that turns out and whether they can turn it into as reliable of a cash cow as they have with Marvel. 

 

 

 

Jun 15, 2018 12:27pm
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mannycoon wrote:

I appreciate the long response too.  It's good to see a highly critical post of it that that goes beyond "OMG the SJW libtards ruined Star Wars!!" which is the bulk of the more severe criticism of it on the internet and was the sort of thought process that led to a bunch of dicks driving Kelly Marie Tran off the internet.  A lot geeky sub cultures on the internet have become really gross and it's definitely not limited to Star Wars.

I'm not going to respond point by point, but have a few thoughts.  First I think the science and technology of the series has largely be been impractical nonsense since day one that has largely existed to drive action sequences, so I don't think that is anything new; force powers fall into a similar category.  I agree it would be nice if there was more internal consistency though, but I don't think that ever been the case.  On the thematic points, I think those are things were people can reasonably agree or disagree, and like the movie more or less.

In general I think it goes into the group of Star Wars movies that are a mixed bags which includes Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Force Awakens and Rogue One.  I haven't seen Solo, but from what I've heard it largely belong to this group as well.  The first two movies I think are clearly the top of the heap, but they had originality and less baggage and expectations going for them, which is impossible to replicate this far in.  Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are more or less irredeemable shit heaps; for the newer movies dislike comes from the themes or nitpicks or lack of consitency or lack of originality or predictiblity, but for those two the dislike is immediate and obvious whether it is Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd, Hayden Christenson, "I hate sand" romance, Pod Races which seem to exist purely to sell video games, or boring long winded political/economic talk somehow existing side by side with that.  They are quite a bit more ambitious than the Wilford Brimley Ewok movie, but don't know if they are better.

One thing Force Awakens is clearly trying to set up, is it own new expanded universe, so much like Marvel they can pump out new movies every year forever.  I fully expect standalone Finn and Poe movies not long after this new trilogy wraps up and the multithreaded storytelling was part of setting that up (and I think trying to do it with new characters is better than trying more prequels, because it gives more freedom to go their own direction, a Poe X-Wing series won't have nearly as much baggage as a Wedge Antilles series would).  It will be interesting to see how well that turns out and whether they can turn it into as reliable of a cash cow as they have with Marvel. 

 

 

 

 

I've maybe seen episdoes 4 - 6 2x each, but none since 1997.  Maybe I saw The Empire Strikes Back 3x.

 

And the other episodes, I've only seen 1x.

 

But I don't remember the science and technology being so nonsense, nor being so contrived in driving the action.  Maybe if I'd seen the movies more often, and more recently, I'd realize it happened in other movies too.

 

Again, while these are different movies that deal with space, I thought the science and technologiy was more realistic like Star Trek movies or Alien movies.  At least those movies, for the most part, had things that fit within their universes.