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#1 Jun 8, 2018 2:17pm
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OT: LeBron

OK, where should he go and who should join him?

Jun 8, 2018 2:24pm
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CLE, PHI, that's about it.  No  contenders on the West can take his contract, at least without some major horse-trading.

Jun 8, 2018 2:24pm
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What is the Cavs cap situation?

 

Who can they reasonably dump, if necessary, to get more cap space?

Jun 8, 2018 2:25pm
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Is @JGlanton the only one that's had a Jordan avatar on here or ESPN, ever?

 

I believe @Mistwell was the only one with a Chris Paul avatar on ClipperTalk, when he had Cliff Paul.

Jun 8, 2018 2:27pm
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LeBron should come here. He might be the one person in the league who's capable of convincing Ballmer to move on from Doc and Austin. West will get him the right supporting cast. Tobias, Harrell and Beverley are already a good start.

He will probably join the Sixers.

Jun 8, 2018 2:38pm
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Philly has the defensive players he needs. He can carry an offense, but you need a whole team to defend the best teams.
Jun 9, 2018 11:00am
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Regardless of salary cap and intangibles, I like LeBron in New Orleans. Pair him with Davis, Holiday, (playoff) Rondo and Mirotic and they beat Houston and probably Golden State.

The best individual pairing for LeBron is PG and the only place they can pair up is the Lakers. PG isn't signing with Cleveland. The Lakers' young guys probably aren't ready for prime time, at least not with Luke as their coach.

Philly won't have enough shooters. We've seen Redick disappear in the playoffs before.

LeBron, Tatum, Jaylen, Irving and Horford is actually a very good starting 5. Hmmm.

 

Jun 9, 2018 11:03am
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Or Milwaukee
Jun 9, 2018 11:27am
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I think Philly makes a lot of sense for him. Simmons can start easing his load and they actually have guys who can play defense and make some plays some of the time. He can't stay on Cleveland at this point with what Boston is building.

Jun 9, 2018 2:47pm
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I'm getting a strong feeling that Magic Johnson might do whatever it takes to land Lebron

Jun 9, 2018 3:41pm
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pro100 wrote:

I'm getting a strong feeling that Magic Johnson might do whatever it takes to land Lebron

 

What he can do is renounce Julius Randle then have enough cap space for Lebron and CP3, or Lebron and PG. 

But that's not magic.  Real Magic would be to move Luol Deng.

Jun 9, 2018 7:33pm
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Houston would be his best chance to win a title next season, they almost beat the Warriors without him. Long term I would say Philly. Surrounding Lebron with all their young talent would be awesome to watch. Basically I don’t care where he goes as long as its not the Lakers.
Jun 9, 2018 8:56pm
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trapp76 wrote:
Houston would be his best chance to win a title next season, they almost beat the Warriors without him. Long term I would say Philly. Surrounding Lebron with all their young talent would be awesome to watch. Basically I don’t care where he goes as long as its not the Lakers.

I agree with this. I think his window period is maybe 1-2 years, so long term is not as much an issue.

Jun 12, 2018 1:44pm
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Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

Jun 12, 2018 2:29pm
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gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

We would have to find a way to exchange Gallo and Austin's salary slots for Lebron this season, maybe in a sign and trade for Lebron where we throw in future picks to make it happen.

Then this season's team would be Lebron + DJ (possibly)/Lou/Harris/Beverley/Milos/Harrell/Boban + whomever we could sign with the MLE + possibly a re-signed Bradley. Not good enough to beat the Warriors but that's already a better supporting cast than he had in CLE this season.

Then in 2019 we would have one max slot to bring in a big name player to play with Lebron as DJ, Wes Johnson, Milos, Harris and Beverley all come off the books. That is when we could challenge the Warriors seriously, especially if they lose Klay to free agency that off-season.

Is that better for him than going to the Lakers this season along with let's say Paul George and having a supporting cast of George/Ball/Ingram/Randle/Kuzma? I think so. Especially when you consider he can play for the richest owner in pro sports, with a front office featuring Jerry West and a team where he can completely avoid the Laker baggage like Kobe, the Buss family drama, Magic, Lavar Ball, half their fans don't want him, etc. etc.

If we find a way to move DJ plus one of our picks to Dallas to get that 5th pick, that would make us even more attractive. We have to get creative, but Jerry West has pulled off huge free agent moves in the past (Shaq + Durant).

 

Jun 12, 2018 2:44pm
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Jonas Knox on Fox Sports Radio said James to the Clippers would be a great move.  He said this on this past weekend's show.

 

 

Jun 12, 2018 3:01pm
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I'm not going to get into whether these teams have the cap room, or how likely they are.

 

But I think the Jazz and Spurs would be the best fits for James.  Better than Philly and Boston.

 

On the Jazz, he'd have players who have proved themselves in the playoffs.  They've shown they can win series in multiple years.

 

Mitchell is young but already good, and he wouldn't feel threatened by James, like Irving was.  Mitchell seems like he has less of an ego.

 

Jingles, Rubio, and Gobert have also proven themselves in the playoffs.

 

James would have the additional ball handlers he likes in Rubio and Mitchell and Jingles.

 

And Gobert is better than Love.

 

Better fit than Houston too, because the Jazz are younger, healthier, and deeper.

 

The Jazz have also proven that they can hammer in the Warriors in the regular season.  The Warriors might have been missing some players, but I thnk the matchup problem the Jazz present is real.

 

I don't think Embiid and Simmons on Philly are as willing to play with another star, in James.  There might be too many strong personalities.

 

With Boston, they have the same conbination of youth and depth that Utah has.  But I just like the fit in Utah more.  Especially when the sales pitch would include how they've had several wins over the Warriors the past few years.

 

I don't like the fit in Houston as much, because of Harden.

 

With the Spurs, they're an older team, but James likes Popovich, and Leonard and Aldridge are still good players.  And they have a resonable track record of beating the Warriors in the regular season.  

 

I'm not going to get into what each team needs to do in order to have enough cap space or trade pieces to make a deal work.  Maybe once he meets with teams, and we can see who he's meeting with, then we can have some analysis there.

 

I'm assuming for Utah, they'd have to lose Favors.

 

And for Boston, either Hayward or Irving.  Irving might not like James anymore, but stranger things have happened in sports history.

 

I do think point guard is James best position, so I see ClippersSisyphus' fit for the Pelicans.  I think that James might only want to go there though, if they can get one more star next to Davis, whether its Cousins or someone else.

 

The Pelicans defense and health always worries me.  But that might not worry James.  Maybe he wouldn't think as much about those things, and think about the positives of playing with a big man like Davis.

 

I do like the Pelicans more than Philly, just in terms of egos.  Again, I don't think Simmons and Embiid are going to make for an easy locker room with James.  I think guys like Davis, Gobert, Leonard, and Aldridge are easier to get along with.

Jun 12, 2018 3:12pm
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trapp76 wrote:

gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

We would have to find a way to exchange Gallo and Austin's salary slots for Lebron this season, maybe in a sign and trade for Lebron where we throw in future picks to make it happen.

Then this season's team would be Lebron + DJ (possibly)/Lou/Harris/Beverley/Milos/Harrell/Boban + whomever we could sign with the MLE + possibly a re-signed Bradley. Not good enough to beat the Warriors but that's already a better supporting cast than he had in CLE this season.

Then in 2019 we would have one max slot to bring in a big name player to play with Lebron as DJ, Wes Johnson, Milos, Harris and Beverley all come off the books. That is when we could challenge the Warriors seriously, especially if they lose Klay to free agency that off-season.

Is that better for him than going to the Lakers this season along with let's say Paul George and having a supporting cast of George/Ball/Ingram/Randle/Kuzma? I think so. Especially when you consider he can play for the richest owner in pro sports, with a front office featuring Jerry West and a team where he can completely avoid the Laker baggage like Kobe, the Buss family drama, Magic, Lavar Ball, half their fans don't want him, etc. etc.

If we find a way to move DJ plus one of our picks to Dallas to get that 5th pick, that would make us even more attractive. We have to get creative, but Jerry West has pulled off huge free agent moves in the past (Shaq + Durant).

 

You do realize that we'd be a worse team in the short term if we move DJ, right? 

Jun 12, 2018 3:51pm
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Lebron not coming. Which is a shame. Better for him w Clippers than Lakers. But then again, u don’t know what West/Ballmer will say
Jun 12, 2018 3:59pm
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As long as Doc and Austin are Clippers we will never see anyone significant sign with us

Jun 12, 2018 4:27pm
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gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

The "new stadium" will NOT be a factor for ANYONE in their decision to come here. That stadium, if it is actually built, is 6 years away or so anyway. LeBron will be out of the league by then. 6 years is 1-2 contracts away for most deserving players and will not be on their minds at all. Check back in 4 years  or so with that rationale.

Jun 12, 2018 4:49pm
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Get Jerry West in the room with LeBron and anything can happen. The Logo has a great track record when it comes to getting the free agents he wants.
Jun 12, 2018 5:27pm
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I can't see Lebron signing in a situation where it would take a year to get his ideal team, it would have to be ready made for him to compete so we would have to exchange Gallo's money for something that could help on the court this year. It would probably be something like Gallo and a pick for George in a sign and trade.

 

Or if we could get Kawhi and send out Gallo/Austin/12 and 13 plus another 2 future 1sts. I think we have the ability to get creative if he wants to come here, but it's about getting him to like what we can do better than other teams.

Jun 12, 2018 6:41pm
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SamIAm19 wrote:

As long as Doc and Austin are Clippers we will never see anyone significant sign with us

Didn't you mean to post on your VFHS burner account?

Jun 12, 2018 6:43pm
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VFHS wrote:
Get Jerry West in the room with LeBron and anything can happen. The Logo has a great track record when it comes to getting the free agents he wants.

Coffee is for closers and West is a Starbucks.

Jun 13, 2018 9:32am
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

We would have to find a way to exchange Gallo and Austin's salary slots for Lebron this season, maybe in a sign and trade for Lebron where we throw in future picks to make it happen.

Then this season's team would be Lebron + DJ (possibly)/Lou/Harris/Beverley/Milos/Harrell/Boban + whomever we could sign with the MLE + possibly a re-signed Bradley. Not good enough to beat the Warriors but that's already a better supporting cast than he had in CLE this season.

Then in 2019 we would have one max slot to bring in a big name player to play with Lebron as DJ, Wes Johnson, Milos, Harris and Beverley all come off the books. That is when we could challenge the Warriors seriously, especially if they lose Klay to free agency that off-season.

Is that better for him than going to the Lakers this season along with let's say Paul George and having a supporting cast of George/Ball/Ingram/Randle/Kuzma? I think so. Especially when you consider he can play for the richest owner in pro sports, with a front office featuring Jerry West and a team where he can completely avoid the Laker baggage like Kobe, the Buss family drama, Magic, Lavar Ball, half their fans don't want him, etc. etc.

If we find a way to move DJ plus one of our picks to Dallas to get that 5th pick, that would make us even more attractive. We have to get creative, but Jerry West has pulled off huge free agent moves in the past (Shaq + Durant).

You do realize that we'd be a worse team in the short term if we move DJ, right? 

Maybe, maybe not, depends on how that top 5 pick turns out and some of the other moves we make.

Jun 13, 2018 9:31am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

I can't see Lebron signing in a situation where it would take a year to get his ideal team, it would have to be ready made for him to compete.

Compete with the Warriors? Nope not gonna happen for us this off-season no matter what we do.

Compete for a top 3 seed and possibly make it to the WCF next season with a better roster than Lebron had in CLE this season? That's doable. So it depends on what you mean by "compete" next season.

Jun 13, 2018 10:08am
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trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

We would have to find a way to exchange Gallo and Austin's salary slots for Lebron this season, maybe in a sign and trade for Lebron where we throw in future picks to make it happen.

Then this season's team would be Lebron + DJ (possibly)/Lou/Harris/Beverley/Milos/Harrell/Boban + whomever we could sign with the MLE + possibly a re-signed Bradley. Not good enough to beat the Warriors but that's already a better supporting cast than he had in CLE this season.

Then in 2019 we would have one max slot to bring in a big name player to play with Lebron as DJ, Wes Johnson, Milos, Harris and Beverley all come off the books. That is when we could challenge the Warriors seriously, especially if they lose Klay to free agency that off-season.

Is that better for him than going to the Lakers this season along with let's say Paul George and having a supporting cast of George/Ball/Ingram/Randle/Kuzma? I think so. Especially when you consider he can play for the richest owner in pro sports, with a front office featuring Jerry West and a team where he can completely avoid the Laker baggage like Kobe, the Buss family drama, Magic, Lavar Ball, half their fans don't want him, etc. etc.

If we find a way to move DJ plus one of our picks to Dallas to get that 5th pick, that would make us even more attractive. We have to get creative, but Jerry West has pulled off huge free agent moves in the past (Shaq + Durant).

You do realize that we'd be a worse team in the short term if we move DJ, right? 

Maybe, maybe not, depends on how that top 5 pick turns out and some of the other moves we make.

You honestly think a #5 pick can replace DJs production in the short term? That's selling DJs production very low. And you think someone like Lebron would believe that also? No chance. Getting rid of DJ would signal to free agents that Clippers are not looking to compete in the short term.

Jun 13, 2018 10:16am
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gpack17 wrote:

Does anyone here think that the Clippers might actually have a legitimate chance at landing Lebron?  I know there are a ton of rumors swirling about them being seen in admissions of LA schools like Sierra Canyon. This was also a thing when he went back to Cleveland. I see LA as a most likely destination. I doubt he becomes a Clipper but I see sooooo many pro's for it vs the lakers. 

He wouldn't be in the shadow of Kobe, Magic, etc. Lebron could essentially mold this team into however he wants. Lets say we get rid of Gallo to get Lebron in a sign and trade, we would only have lebron and lou will and the rookies on the books after next season, leaving us with tons of cap to bring in kawhi, etc. and resign tobias, pat bev, and deandre. He would be a part of a time where they are building a new stadium, and a change of culture under ballmer. He would get to have Jerry West to advise him on the court. He would be the face of a large franchise market in LA. If he really wanted to bring in his own guys, we have expriring contracts of Beverly, dekker, harris, austin, others to bring in whoever he wants. I'm sure that milos, austin, deandre, and proabably bradley all return if Lebron comes. It's a long shot, but i think it's appealing and makes for a better case than a team with young guys who haven't won at all.

We would have to find a way to exchange Gallo and Austin's salary slots for Lebron this season, maybe in a sign and trade for Lebron where we throw in future picks to make it happen.

Then this season's team would be Lebron + DJ (possibly)/Lou/Harris/Beverley/Milos/Harrell/Boban + whomever we could sign with the MLE + possibly a re-signed Bradley. Not good enough to beat the Warriors but that's already a better supporting cast than he had in CLE this season.

Then in 2019 we would have one max slot to bring in a big name player to play with Lebron as DJ, Wes Johnson, Milos, Harris and Beverley all come off the books. That is when we could challenge the Warriors seriously, especially if they lose Klay to free agency that off-season.

Is that better for him than going to the Lakers this season along with let's say Paul George and having a supporting cast of George/Ball/Ingram/Randle/Kuzma? I think so. Especially when you consider he can play for the richest owner in pro sports, with a front office featuring Jerry West and a team where he can completely avoid the Laker baggage like Kobe, the Buss family drama, Magic, Lavar Ball, half their fans don't want him, etc. etc.

If we find a way to move DJ plus one of our picks to Dallas to get that 5th pick, that would make us even more attractive. We have to get creative, but Jerry West has pulled off huge free agent moves in the past (Shaq + Durant).

You do realize that we'd be a worse team in the short term if we move DJ, right? 

Maybe, maybe not, depends on how that top 5 pick turns out and some of the other moves we make.

You honestly think a #5 pick can replace DJs production in the short term? That's selling DJs production very low. And you think someone like Lebron would believe that also? No chance. Getting rid of DJ would signal to free agents that Clippers are not looking to compete in the short term.

"Maybe, maybe not, depends on how that top 5 pick turns out and some of the other moves we make."

Jun 13, 2018 12:12pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

I'm not going to get into whether these teams have the cap room, or how likely they are.

 

But I think the Jazz and Spurs would be the best fits for James.  Better than Philly and Boston.

 

On the Jazz, he'd have players who have proved themselves in the playoffs.  They've shown they can win series in multiple years.

 

Mitchell is young but already good, and he wouldn't feel threatened by James, like Irving was.  Mitchell seems like he has less of an ego.

 

Jingles, Rubio, and Gobert have also proven themselves in the playoffs.

 

James would have the additional ball handlers he likes in Rubio and Mitchell and Jingles.

 

And Gobert is better than Love.

 

Better fit than Houston too, because the Jazz are younger, healthier, and deeper.

 

The Jazz have also proven that they can hammer in the Warriors in the regular season.  The Warriors might have been missing some players, but I thnk the matchup problem the Jazz present is real.

 

I don't think Embiid and Simmons on Philly are as willing to play with another star, in James.  There might be too many strong personalities.

 

With Boston, they have the same conbination of youth and depth that Utah has.  But I just like the fit in Utah more.  Especially when the sales pitch would include how they've had several wins over the Warriors the past few years.

 

I don't like the fit in Houston as much, because of Harden.

 

With the Spurs, they're an older team, but James likes Popovich, and Leonard and Aldridge are still good players.  And they have a resonable track record of beating the Warriors in the regular season.  

 

I'm not going to get into what each team needs to do in order to have enough cap space or trade pieces to make a deal work.  Maybe once he meets with teams, and we can see who he's meeting with, then we can have some analysis there.

 

I'm assuming for Utah, they'd have to lose Favors.

 

And for Boston, either Hayward or Irving.  Irving might not like James anymore, but stranger things have happened in sports history.

 

I do think point guard is James best position, so I see ClippersSisyphus' fit for the Pelicans.  I think that James might only want to go there though, if they can get one more star next to Davis, whether its Cousins or someone else.

 

The Pelicans defense and health always worries me.  But that might not worry James.  Maybe he wouldn't think as much about those things, and think about the positives of playing with a big man like Davis.

 

I do like the Pelicans more than Philly, just in terms of egos.  Again, I don't think Simmons and Embiid are going to make for an easy locker room with James.  I think guys like Davis, Gobert, Leonard, and Aldridge are easier to get along with.

 

I agree, I was thinking the Jazz would be a pefect fit for James.  On the flip side I don't see him moving to Salt Lake

Jun 13, 2018 12:33pm
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The fit is pretty good for him, but yeah 0 chance he goes to Utah. Out of the small markets the one I could maybe see is San Antonio. He's been harping on BBIQ lately so he can get that there. That probably ends the Lakers chances too since he probably won't be joining a young team except maybe the Sixers who have some productive vets to balance out the good young talent.

Jun 13, 2018 3:59pm
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LeBron James Team for 2018-19 Regular Season
Los Angeles Lakers +200
Philadelphia 76ers +350
Miami Heat +500
New York Knicks +750
Houston Rockets +1000
San Antonio Spurs +2000
Cleveland Cavaliers +3000

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1925582

Rumours of his kid enrolling at an LA high school, some decent young pieces, a coach he could push around in a credible franchise make these odds appear accurate. Philly is stacked and in his favored Easy East but he could be tired of that narrative, along with the cold weather, and come out west for the perhaps last chapter of his career. There wouldn't be as much pressure to "win a championship now" like there would be with the Sixers or in HOU. He's kinda been there/done that with the Heat.

Hate to say it, although it would be kinda cool to have him playing regularly in town and on the tele for the excitement factor, but he may be a Laker.

 

 

Jun 13, 2018 4:28pm
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clipsentuboca wrote:

LeBron James Team for 2018-19 Regular Season
Los Angeles Lakers +200
Philadelphia 76ers +350
Miami Heat +500
New York Knicks +750
Houston Rockets +1000
San Antonio Spurs +2000
Cleveland Cavaliers +3000

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1925582

Rumours of his kid enrolling at an LA high school, some decent young pieces, a coach he could push around in a credible franchise make these odds appear accurate. Philly is stacked and in his favored Easy East but he could be tired of that narrative, along with the cold weather, and come out west for the perhaps last chapter of his career. There wouldn't be as much pressure to "win a championship now" like there would be with the Sixers or in HOU. He's kinda been there/done that with the Heat.

Hate to say it, although it would be kinda cool to have him playing regularly in town and on the tele for the excitement factor, but he may be a Laker.

 

 

Even if the Lakers sign him and Paul George together, would they be better than Houston? I don't think so. They certainly wouldn't be as good as GSW. So what's the point for him?

Jun 13, 2018 4:46pm
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I mean he could make a lot of money going to the Lakers so one thing overlooked is if he gets a big piece to join him there that option could be appealing to him. But it hinges on him getting Kawhi or George to go with him I'd think. The fanbase is so big that the jersey sales and all the other stuff would be so big there and if he does want to own a team some day that may be his best chance.

 

Another thing working against LA though is Kobe's insistence on entering the conversation of GOAT and he will probably be insufferable if Lebron goes to the Lakers.

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clipsentuboca wrote:

LeBron James Team for 2018-19 Regular Season
Los Angeles Lakers +200
Philadelphia 76ers +350
Miami Heat +500
New York Knicks +750
Houston Rockets +1000
San Antonio Spurs +2000
Cleveland Cavaliers +3000

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1925582

Rumours of his kid enrolling at an LA high school, some decent young pieces, a coach he could push around in a credible franchise make these odds appear accurate. Philly is stacked and in his favored Easy East but he could be tired of that narrative, along with the cold weather, and come out west for the perhaps last chapter of his career. There wouldn't be as much pressure to "win a championship now" like there would be with the Sixers or in HOU. He's kinda been there/done that with the Heat.

Hate to say it, although it would be kinda cool to have him playing regularly in town and on the tele for the excitement factor, but he may be a Laker.

Fuck that

Jun 13, 2018 8:20pm
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Yes I think they would be better than Houston if they got both Lebron and Paul George to go along with their younger players. And they might be better than GSW too. Houston almost beat them. 

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As long as Doc and Austin are Clippers we will never see anyone significant sign with us

Didn't you mean to post on your VFHS burner account?

 

You all know I'm right and he is more likely to join the Lakers than sit in a room with Jerry West, who has nothing to offer thanks to the Rivers family.

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LeBron is going to LA. Gary Payton confirmed his son is going to Sierra Canyon in the Valley:

 

Jun 13, 2018 10:29pm
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Sierra Canyon is a good school. We looked at it briefly, could not possibly afford it, and moved on :)

 

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Yes I think they would be better than Houston if they got both Lebron and Paul George to go along with their younger players. 

Houston won 65 games and had the best record in the entire league last season. They won't be as good next season if their core stays the same, but I disagree.

This would be the supporting cast he would be joining on the Lakers:

Kuzma  14.2 PER (22 years old)
Ingram 13.8 PER (20 years old)
Ball   12.5 PER (20 years old)
Hart   12.2 PER (22 years old)
Randle 19.9 PER (23 years old), but an RFA this off-season who has a 12 mill cap hold, they probably need to renounce him to fit both Lebron and George in on max deals unless they can find someone to take the last two years of Deng's contract (good luck with that).
 
Despite what John Ireland may tell you, it's not certain that any of those players will turn out to be all-stars.
 
If you're Lebron and you want to play with young players, why would you choose the Lakers over Phillly? The Sixers young players are better than the Lakers young players and he would get to stay in the east where his path to the finals would continue to be much easier than the west. Simply because you want to play with Paul George? What did that do for Westbrook last season?
 
Look at Phily's young players:
 
Embiid  22.9 PER (23 years old)
Simmons 20.0 PER (21 years old)
Saric   15.8 PER (23 years old)
Fultz   12.4 PER (19 years old)
 
Plus they have the #10 pick in the draft this year (and the #26 pick as well), while winning 52 games last season and getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

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trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Yes I think they would be better than Houston if they got both Lebron and Paul George to go along with their younger players. 

Houston won 65 games and had the best record in the entire league last season. They won't be as good next season if their core stays the same, but I disagree.

This would be the supporting cast he would be joining on the Lakers:

Kuzma  14.2 PER (22 years old)
Ingram 13.8 PER (20 years old)
Ball   12.5 PER (20 years old)
Hart   12.2 PER (22 years old)
Randle 19.9 PER (23 years old), but an RFA this off-season who has a 12 mill cap hold, they probably need to renounce him to fit both Lebron and George in on max deals unless they can find someone to take the last two years of Deng's contract (good luck with that).
 
Despite what John Ireland may tell you, it's not certain that any of those players will turn out to be all-stars.
 
If you're Lebron and you want to play with young players, why would you choose the Lakers over Phillly? The Sixers young players are better than the Lakers young players and he would get to stay in the east where his path to the finals would continue to be much easier than the west. Simply because you want to play with Paul George? What did that do for Westbrook last season?
 
Look at Phily's young players:
 
Embiid  22.9 PER (23 years old)
Simmons 20.0 PER (21 years old)
Saric   15.8 PER (23 years old)
Fultz   12.4 PER (19 years old)
 
Plus they have the #10 pick in the draft this year (and the #26 pick as well), while winning 52 games last season and getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

I don't listen to John Ireland and have not for many years. He's awful.

You pretending the PERs of young players stay stagnant year to year when the stats say otherwise is myopic. You know darn well they all get better each year, and will get better again with guys like Lebron and Paul George on the team. 

And sadly, though I deeply do not want it to happen, I do in fact think Lebron is going to the Lakers. This debate will be resolved soon though. I hope you're right, but I am pretty sure you're wrong. 

Jun 14, 2018 11:26am
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PER is a bad stat to judge players by, but Trapp isn't necessarily wrong about the Lakers' young talent. Ingram is their only prospect who might have a superstar ceiling, and by the time he reaches it, LeBron will be old and they still won't be good enough to beat the Warriors. Lonzo is trash, Kuzma is solid but overrated by Laker fans, and Randle probably won't even be on the team next year. The only reason the Lakers' current roster isn't viewed as the west-coast Orlando Magic is because of their brand, their location and the media's bias in their favor. I still believe that LeBron's giving up on winning if he joins that team.
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Lonzo is not trash. He's not a superstar, but he's definitely not trash. 

Jun 14, 2018 12:08pm
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The Lakers are a complete joke right now with the BBB and then now the Ball/Kuzma thing(which sounds blown out of perportion. IMO, just buds busting eachother's balls). I can't imagine LeBron putting up with the immaturity. The empire has fallen almost a decade ago and I honestly think if LeBron joins an LA team, it's the Clippers, especially if Austin is dumb enough to opt out.

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Mistwell wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Yes I think they would be better than Houston if they got both Lebron and Paul George to go along with their younger players. 

Houston won 65 games and had the best record in the entire league last season. They won't be as good next season if their core stays the same, but I disagree.

This would be the supporting cast he would be joining on the Lakers:

Kuzma  14.2 PER (22 years old)
Ingram 13.8 PER (20 years old)
Ball   12.5 PER (20 years old)
Hart   12.2 PER (22 years old)
Randle 19.9 PER (23 years old), but an RFA this off-season who has a 12 mill cap hold, they probably need to renounce him to fit both Lebron and George in on max deals unless they can find someone to take the last two years of Deng's contract (good luck with that).
 
Despite what John Ireland may tell you, it's not certain that any of those players will turn out to be all-stars.
 
If you're Lebron and you want to play with young players, why would you choose the Lakers over Phillly? The Sixers young players are better than the Lakers young players and he would get to stay in the east where his path to the finals would continue to be much easier than the west. Simply because you want to play with Paul George? What did that do for Westbrook last season?
 
Look at Phily's young players:
 
Embiid  22.9 PER (23 years old)
Simmons 20.0 PER (21 years old)
Saric   15.8 PER (23 years old)
Fultz   12.4 PER (19 years old)
 
Plus they have the #10 pick in the draft this year (and the #26 pick as well), while winning 52 games last season and getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

You pretending the PERs of young players stay stagnant year to year when the stats say otherwise is myopic. 

No I'm not. I'm saying look at Embiid and Simmons who are already putting up 20+ PERs at the same age as the Laker players who are putting up 13-14 PERs.

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clipsentuboca wrote:

LeBron James Team for 2018-19 Regular Season
Los Angeles Clippers +150

Los Angeles Lakers +200
 

Philadelphia 76ers +350
 

Miami Heat +500
 

New York Knicks +750
 

Houston Rockets +1000
 

San Antonio Spurs +2000
 

Cleveland Cavaliers +3000

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/story.cfm/story/1925582

Rumours of his kid enrolling at an LA high school, some decent young pieces, a coach he could push around in a credible franchise make these odds appear accurate. Philly is stacked and in his favored Easy East but he could be tired of that narrative, along with the cold weather, and come out west for the perhaps last chapter of his career. There wouldn't be as much pressure to "win a championship now" like there would be with the Sixers or in HOU. He's kinda been there/done that with the Heat.

Hate to say it, although it would be kinda cool to have him playing regularly in town and on the tele for the excitement factor, but he may be a Laker.

 

 

Jun 14, 2018 12:31pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Yes I think they would be better than Houston if they got both Lebron and Paul George to go along with their younger players. 

Houston won 65 games and had the best record in the entire league last season. They won't be as good next season if their core stays the same, but I disagree.

This would be the supporting cast he would be joining on the Lakers:

Kuzma  14.2 PER (22 years old)
Ingram 13.8 PER (20 years old)
Ball   12.5 PER (20 years old)
Hart   12.2 PER (22 years old)
Randle 19.9 PER (23 years old), but an RFA this off-season who has a 12 mill cap hold, they probably need to renounce him to fit both Lebron and George in on max deals unless they can find someone to take the last two years of Deng's contract (good luck with that).
 
Despite what John Ireland may tell you, it's not certain that any of those players will turn out to be all-stars.
 
If you're Lebron and you want to play with young players, why would you choose the Lakers over Phillly? The Sixers young players are better than the Lakers young players and he would get to stay in the east where his path to the finals would continue to be much easier than the west. Simply because you want to play with Paul George? What did that do for Westbrook last season?
 
Look at Phily's young players:
 
Embiid  22.9 PER (23 years old)
Simmons 20.0 PER (21 years old)
Saric   15.8 PER (23 years old)
Fultz   12.4 PER (19 years old)
 
Plus they have the #10 pick in the draft this year (and the #26 pick as well), while winning 52 games last season and getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

 

You pretending the PERs of young players stay stagnant year to year when the stats say otherwise is myopic. 

No I'm not. I'm saying look at Embiid and Simmons who are already putting up 20+ PERs at the same age as the Laker players who are putting up 13-14 PERs.

Yes, Simmons and Embiid are better. "This would be the supporting cast he would be joining on the Lakers" and a listing of PERs right now implies that's what their PERs would be this year. If I were LeBron I would also choose the 76ers....unless it was about my family. I strongly suspect he's chosen the Lakers however. 

Jun 14, 2018 12:44pm
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There's so much more money in it for him if he goes to the Lakers and sadly that could make Mistwell right here. Their fanbase like it or not is so much bigger than ours and would probably get him many more millions going there.

 

Not just like 10 or 20 million, it's 100 million or more potentially. If Lebron wants to be an owner someday that makes some sense. It will take someone going with him though out of George/Kawhi

Jun 14, 2018 1:07pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

There's so much more money in it for him if he goes to the Lakers and sadly that could make Mistwell right here. Their fanbase like it or not is so much bigger than ours and would probably get him many more millions going there.

 

Not just like 10 or 20 million, it's 100 million or more potentially. If Lebron wants to be an owner someday that makes some sense. It will take someone going with him though out of George/Kawhi

No that's ridiculous. He can get a max contract from several teams that would pay him the same - some of which are in lower tax states. He's a national figure and would get the same commercial marketing options anywhere. I see him on commercials all the time and he's in Cleveland. Sorry but your "100 million" figure is not based on reality.

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Yeah I am not so sure about the endorsement argument and I don't think that's really what this is about. This review showed a slight difference in endorsements for small vs large market players, but not enough to be very meaningful.

I think this is about family. If he really did enroll his kid in the Chatsworth school...I think that means he wants to make this his home, and will join the Lakers. I could be wrong, but that seems very telling to me. 

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The Lakers fanbase is huge, I'm not just talking about endorsement deals although there will be more there. Add that up with jersey sales and shoe sales over 2-4 years and you have 100m easy. Most people don't understand that part of the business.

 

And it's not just in LA, all over the world there are tons of Lakers fans. Sure some Lebron fans would buy Clippers gear if he went there, but I think you are being naive if you don't realize how much more it would be there. I'm not some Lakers fan, it's just the reality.