OT: Landon Donovan to retire.

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#1 Oct 14, 2014 8:03am
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OT: Landon Donovan to retire.

Oct 14, 2014 8:51am
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He has depression and deals with a lot of bullshit, so I don't blame him for wanting to be done.  My guess is he'll work on TV and wouldn't be surprised to see him get into coaching, he's one of the smartest players ever produced in this country.  He's still on top his game though, leads MLS in assists with a career high this year, Valderrama is the only guy with more assists in an MLS season and that was back in 90's when MLS was much worse.  

I think he also blames his career some for breaking up his previous marriage and he seems to locked into another fairly serious relationship now, so that was probably a motivator for him as well.

It's pretty clear that Klinsmann not taking him was more of a personal problem or motivational stunt than anything related to his ability, Klinsmann is pretty much a douche and so is his son.  Nobody in their right mind really thinks Brad Davis is better.

Best USMNT field player career by a mile, best MLS player ever.   All-time leader in goals and assists for both, has more international assists than the next three guys combined, I think his USMNT goal record will be broken eventually, but the assist record is going to stand for a very long time.

Oct 14, 2014 11:06am
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I think being kicked off the world cup team basically destroyed his confidence, and he's done.  Which sucks.  We might have done better with him, and we would not have done worse.

Oct 14, 2014 11:52am
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Mistwell wrote:

I think being kicked off the world cup team basically destroyed his confidence, and he's done.  Which sucks.  We might have done better with him, and we would not have done worse.

His confidence is fine, he's having one of his best seasons and so is his team.  He doesn't care for the lifestyle at all, I think he would have retired two years ago if there wasn't a world cup this year.   After the 09 Confed, 10 World Cup, his stints at Everton and winning his 5th MLS title I don't think had much left to prove to himself and was basically done, but kept himself going to play in last world cup.

Oct 14, 2014 12:15pm
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And now there is a new article where Klinsmann is basically calling out Dempsey and Bradley for playing in MLS.  Klinsmann just doesn't get the idea that guys want to help the game grow domestically, especially if they can be paid just as well here doing it.

Oct 14, 2014 2:27pm
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What Klinsmann did to him was tough, I still don't agree with that decision but overall I do think he's done well. He may not understand those guys desire to play domestically to grow the game, but as a player you improve by playing in the highest competition. It'd be like Kobe playing in Italy in his prime to grow the Italian leagues instead of coming to the NBA where all the best players are. Klinsmann wants to develop the talent and the best way to do that is sending those guys overseas, it may seem insensitive, but it's whats also best for them as players and the USMNT.

Oct 14, 2014 2:52pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

What Klinsmann did to him was tough, I still don't agree with that decision but overall I do think he's done well. He may not understand those guys desire to play domestically to grow the game, but as a player you improve by playing in the highest competition. It'd be like Kobe playing in Italy in his prime to grow the Italian leagues instead of coming to the NBA where all the best players are. Klinsmann wants to develop the talent and the best way to do that is sending those guys overseas, it may seem insensitive, but it's whats also best for them as players and the USMNT.

But if you just go and take Brad Davis, Graham Zusi and Chris Wondolowski instead, what's the point?  If the US team had a bunch of guys playing in the Champions League to pick from instead it would be different.  It's like if Spain's basketball team didn't take Navarro because decided he didn't like the NBA, but taking a lesser Spanish League player instead.

At this point guys like Bradley or Dempsey or Donovan are basically finished products.  DeAndre Yedlin going to Spurs should help him assuming he plays, but I don't think it's as big of deal for a guys who already in their prime or past it, if they go from being squad filler in Europe to being a star and leader here.   Playing is important though, someone like Brek Shea probably has got next to nothing out of going to Europe.  If Jozy decides to come back at some point rather than sit the bench in England though I wouldn't blame him.

I don't think Klinsmann is a terrible coach, he gets pretty decent results and in the end that is important, but he's an ass, and if decides not to call clearly superior players because of their clubs choices it makes the team weaker; maybe Donovan finishes that chance Wondolowski flubbed against Belgium, we'll never know, but we do know they didn't have the best possible players on the field.

Oct 14, 2014 3:11pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

What Klinsmann did to him was tough, I still don't agree with that decision but overall I do think he's done well. He may not understand those guys desire to play domestically to grow the game, but as a player you improve by playing in the highest competition. It'd be like Kobe playing in Italy in his prime to grow the Italian leagues instead of coming to the NBA where all the best players are. Klinsmann wants to develop the talent and the best way to do that is sending those guys overseas, it may seem insensitive, but it's whats also best for them as players and the USMNT.

 

+1  Donovan may have been the greatest USMNT field player, but there is a party that claims Claudio Reyna is in that conversation, and one of those reasons is because of his success overseas.

No one is going to get better playing in MLS; you HAVE to go to Europe.  Dempsey and Bradley f*ed up, I don't care what Alexi Lalas and those other MLS lovers say.  As a soccer player, it is your responsibility to your country to play at the HIGHEST level possible. Dempsey and Bradley returning doesn't help them and doesn't help us.  They could be taking the starting job away from a promising 20 year old who needs to play in order to make the most of their career.

Oct 14, 2014 3:13pm
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As for Kilnsmann not taking Donovan... he messed up.  I would have rather had Donovan in his state than Wondo or Brad Davis (not to knock Davis, he is a great player)

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Oct 11, 2017 7:27am
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Bruce Arena is the Doc Rivers of soccer.

Oct 11, 2017 10:43am
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SamIAm19 wrote:

Bruce Arena is the Doc Rivers of soccer.

 

What's the difference between Bruce Arena's responsibilities, and Klinnsman's?  

 

Asking a question.  This is like my thread here, with a similar question.

 

I've been asking this for years, and sometimes I'm still not sure.

Oct 11, 2017 4:01pm
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A radio host made an analogy that both Japan and the US have great Womens National teams, but Mens teams that still struggle a lot.

Oct 11, 2017 6:24pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

SamIAm19 wrote:

Bruce Arena is the Doc Rivers of soccer.

 

What's the difference between Bruce Arena's responsibilities, and Klinnsman's?  

 

Asking a question.  This is like my thread here, with a similar question.

 

I've been asking this for years, and sometimes I'm still not sure.

 

I think Klinsmann was completely fired and they hired two people to do the jobs that were left.  Klinsmann was head coach AND a generalish manager...

Oct 11, 2017 8:26pm
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hey, at least Peru is in. Let's give it up for the underdogs.

But, man, talk about a hit to the national pride. Lose the most important match of the year to a team with a 1.4 million population. We couldn't field a proper team with our 324 million even with 1/3 being obese? Inexcusable really.

Oct 12, 2017 8:47am
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SamIAm19 wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

SamIAm19 wrote:

Bruce Arena is the Doc Rivers of soccer.

 

What's the difference between Bruce Arena's responsibilities, and Klinnsman's?  

 

Asking a question.  This is like my thread here, with a similar question.

 

I've been asking this for years, and sometimes I'm still not sure.

 

I think Klinsmann was completely fired and they hired two people to do the jobs that were left.  Klinsmann was head coach AND a generalish manager...

 

So Klinsmann was Doc Rivers then.

 

Once Klinsmann left, then it was Arena as the head coach, right?

Oct 12, 2017 10:04am
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nuraman00 wrote:

SamIAm19 wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

SamIAm19 wrote:

Bruce Arena is the Doc Rivers of soccer.

 

What's the difference between Bruce Arena's responsibilities, and Klinnsman's?  

 

Asking a question.  This is like my thread here, with a similar question.

 

I've been asking this for years, and sometimes I'm still not sure.

 

I think Klinsmann was completely fired and they hired two people to do the jobs that were left.  Klinsmann was head coach AND a generalish manager...

 

So Klinsmann was Doc Rivers then.

 

Once Klinsmann left, then it was Arena as the head coach, right?

 

 

ya i think so

Oct 12, 2017 10:46am
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Klinsmann is a sort of Isiah Thomas of soccer coaches, but with less sexual harassment.

Doc and Bruce is probably an ok comparison, their best years are behind and not coming back and reliant overly reliant on veterans and retreads.

The USA is really lacking good players between the age of 23 and 29, which should have been the core of this team.   That group is particularly weak compared to the Donovan/Dempsey/Beasley generation and the Reyna/McBride/Pope/O'Brien generation.  The next generation led by Pulisic should be better.

They also really missed having a keeper that could constantly bail them out.  Old man Howard is not nearly as a good prime Howard, Keller, Friedel and none of the younger guys stepped up.  Navas is huge difference maker for Costa Rica these days.

All of that said, the USA still had way more talent than Honduras and Panama and Trinidad and still should have easily qualified.  Klinsmann failed, Bruce failed and US Soccer as an organization failed.

Oct 13, 2017 3:49pm
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Didn't Dempsey play for Fulham for 6 years?