OT: GOAT

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#1 May 9, 2018 11:33pm
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OT: GOAT

By the 32 year season, both Michael and LeBron had 4 championships. I'm sure LeBron knows this well. LeBron is in his 33 year season. I'll bet he is hyper focused on this season and next to win championships to keep up with Jordan. If he doesn't win this year, he goes to a team next year that gives him the best chance to beat the Warriors.

May 10, 2018 3:28am
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MJ spent 2 years in college and served his 1 and a half year 'suspension because of his gambling addiction' plus another 2 seasons off before joining the Wizards. He was already considered the greatest ever before he even 'retired' the first time. The 94 Rockets struggled against the same Knicks that MJ would OWN. The 95 Magic beat on MJ45 who made his comeback in March... AFTER the All Star Break, with no training camp, no preseason, no practices, while everyone else was already in midseason form and start to bring it. MJ and the Bulls beat some of the toughest teams, in terms of physicallity, in NBA history. The Bulls broke up after his (second) retirement. Had he signed a 2 year extension at the age of 36, no doubt the rest of the Bulls would have stuck around. I have a tough time believing they would have lost to the 8 seeded Knicks and to a Sophemore lead San Antonio Spurs. Phil Jackson wouldn't have left the Bulls so that means the Lakers wouldn't have him as their coach, who helped turn the Kobe/Shaq Lakers from 2nd round fodders to NBA Dynasty. He joined a 19 win Wiazards team and fell a hair from making making the playoffs at the age of 39 and 40. I wonder if 40 years old LeBron can lead the 2001-2002 and 2002-2003 Wizards to the playoffs.

 

No disrespect to LeBron James, though. He is by far the most physically gifted and most durable player to ever play the game of Basketball. He's DEFINITELY the second greatest of all time. MJ is the GOAT, though.

May 10, 2018 6:06am
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LeBron is the GOAT, plain and simple. MJ wasn't even better than Kareem.
May 10, 2018 7:31am
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It's Lebron. 

May 10, 2018 7:58am
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Comparing across eras is rough with rules changes, strategy changes, changes in talent level. Before Lebron, I think there was a clear line with Jordan as the best modern player and Russell as the most successful old timey player, but thing have changed enough in the last 20 years or so, Lebron and Jordan are can probably be broken into completely different eras as well.
May 10, 2018 8:47am
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I think Lebron is the GOAT.  Has nothing to do with championships won although that helps.  Lebron played more years and more games at a higher level than Jordan did.  Which means he had more character than Jordan did which is the tiebreaker.  Plus, you can't argue with getting to the finals for eight straight years with different teams whether they won the championship or not.

May 10, 2018 9:37am
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I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

May 10, 2018 10:44am
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VFHS wrote:

I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

Fair opinion albeit unpopular. Though, Duncan would be less successful in today’s guard heavy three point emphasized meta.
May 10, 2018 11:21am
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Jordan in today’s rules, would just dominate these guards left and right... he would easily score 40 a night....
May 10, 2018 12:13pm
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Yeah I mean Jordan is way better than Harden and look at the crazy numbers he puts up. He would undoubtedly shoot a lot more 3s in this era, but I don't see how he'd be stopped in today's game. Crazy part for Lebron is he isn't even done, you watch him in the playoffs now and he is far different than the Lebron we saw 7 years ago. I can't even imagine there being a better player after Lebron come along in our lifetimes.

 

Duncan is definitely underrated and I wonder if that's the last dominant big man in that model we see. Hakeem is also a guy who goes under the radar for how great he was. Incredible defender with a ton of skills, Davis reminds me a lot of him in some ways.

May 10, 2018 1:11pm
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Rhy1244 wrote:
VFHS wrote:

I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

Fair opinion albeit unpopular. Though, Duncan would be less successful in today’s guard heavy three point emphasized meta.

Old Man Duncan was still providing plenty of value as an elite defender just a couple years ago. Now imagine what a prime Duncan would do in today's league.

May 10, 2018 3:30pm
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May 13, 2018 1:22pm
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VFHS wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:
VFHS wrote:

I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

Fair opinion albeit unpopular. Though, Duncan would be less successful in today’s guard heavy three point emphasized meta.

Old Man Duncan was still providing plenty of value as an elite defender just a couple years ago. Now imagine what a prime Duncan would do in today's league.

Stop. We all know you think Blake Griffin is the GOAT.

May 14, 2018 12:06am
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VFHS wrote:
LeBron is the GOAT, plain and simple. MJ wasn't even better than Kareem.
I'm not surprised to read this from you.

May 14, 2018 12:21am
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VFHS wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:
VFHS wrote:

I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

Fair opinion albeit unpopular. Though, Duncan would be less successful in today’s guard heavy three point emphasized meta.

Old Man Duncan was still providing plenty of value as an elite defender just a couple years ago. Now imagine what a prime Duncan would do in today's league.

Duncan did drop 30 a game on Blake the Great in his late 20's. Imagine what he could have dropped against anyone else.

May 14, 2018 12:12am
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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:
VFHS wrote:

I also think Duncan gets unfairly overlooked in the GOAT debate. He was basically a modern-day Kareem, skewed slightly more towards defense, but with similar longevity and dominance. It might sound crazy, but I honestly think I might take Duncan over Jordan to start a franchise with. With Duncan, I know I'm getting 19 years of sustained excellence with class.

Fair opinion albeit unpopular. Though, Duncan would be less successful in today’s guard heavy three point emphasized meta.

Old Man Duncan was still providing plenty of value as an elite defender just a couple years ago. Now imagine what a prime Duncan would do in today's league.

Stop. We all know you think Blake Griffin is the GOAT.

That was CP0's fault, stupid.