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Jul 11, 2018 11:22am
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Now that Austin's been traded, Milos will finally get a chance to run the offense for real instead of being relegated to a spot-up shooter by Austin's ballhogging and chucking. Can't wait to see him silence the haters!

Another thing to keep in mind: even with the foot injury, Doc showcasing his son at Milos' expense, and Doc stupidly playing him in no-defense three-guard lineups with Austin and Lou, we still won more and were a better team when Milos was playing.

Jul 11, 2018 11:29am
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nuraman00 wrote:

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Milos Staying!

 

Is that the right link?

It was I think, and then they switched it. 

Jul 11, 2018 11:41am
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Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Jul 11, 2018 11:42am
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babyradar01 wrote:

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Probably means Evans is gonna get cut if we don't trade Milos.

Is there some reason we can't trade Evans??

I suppose we could if we had a taker, but what would we even get back? A future 2nd? We can't take any players back, we don't have roster space.

Jul 11, 2018 12:02pm
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trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Probably means Evans is gonna get cut if we don't trade Milos.

Is there some reason we can't trade Evans??

I suppose we could if we had a taker, but what would we even get back? A future 2nd? We can't take any players back, we don't have roster space.

 

I don't think Evans has any value, teams will take their chances on guys like that getting cut.

 

I do think keeping Milos was more about keeping a possible asset. We have a lot of guards that could interest playoff teams and on reasonable deals. By the deadline Milos contract will look appealing as long as he's not hurt.

Jul 11, 2018 12:12pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Why don't you apply the same standard/criticism to Bradley? 

Jul 11, 2018 12:16pm
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Why don't you apply the same standard/criticism to Bradley? 

......because we didn't sign him as a free agent, we traded for him as part of a package to dump Blake, which was a brilliant move by the front office overall for numerous other reasons (getting SGA, getting Harris, getting another future 2nd, getting Boban, dumping Blake and getting cap space for 2019, etc.).

This season, we signed him as a free agent, so I will apply it.

Jul 11, 2018 12:27pm
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Why don't you apply the same standard/criticism to Bradley? 

Milos: 45 games, 36 starts, 25 mins/game

Beverly: 11 games, 11 starts, 30 mins/game (BTW his prior two years he played 67 games, and 71 games, so definitely an outlier year)

Bradley: 46 games, 46 starts, 31 mins/game

Gallo: 21 games, 21 starts, 32 mins/game

BTW the year before we picked Milos up, he played 29 of 35 games for CSKA. Same exact thing for the year before. 

Jul 11, 2018 12:24pm
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trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Why don't you apply the same standard/criticism to Bradley? 

......because we didn't sign him as a free agent, we traded for him as part of a package to dump Blake, which was a brilliant move by the front office overall for numerous other reasons (getting SGA, getting Harris, getting another future 2nd, getting Boban, dumping Blake and getting cap space for 2019, etc.).

This season, we signed him as a free agent, so I will apply it.

Ok when we re-signed Bradley you did not criticize his durability even though he played the same amount as Milos. The team had options to keep/not to keep both of them so the same criticisms should apply. Bradley is also twice as expensive.

Jul 11, 2018 1:02pm
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Milos was a total disappointment last season because of his shit durability. Let's hope he can stay healthy this season.

Why don't you apply the same standard/criticism to Bradley? 

......because we didn't sign him as a free agent, we traded for him as part of a package to dump Blake, which was a brilliant move by the front office overall for numerous other reasons (getting SGA, getting Harris, getting another future 2nd, getting Boban, dumping Blake and getting cap space for 2019, etc.).

This season, we signed him as a free agent, so I will apply it.

Ok when we re-signed Bradley you did not criticize his durability even though he played the same amount as Milos. The team had options to keep/not to keep both of them so the same criticisms should apply. Bradley is also twice as expensive.

Maybe you didn’t read my post. I said I would apply it this season.

Jul 11, 2018 1:05pm
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Both guys are on one year deals at this point anyway so who gives a shit really? They aren’t making max money and sinking your entire team like Blake was. We had bird rights on Bradley so he cost us zero cap space, literally nothing, just money.

Jul 11, 2018 2:05pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Both guys are on one year deals at this point anyway so who gives a shit really? They aren’t making max money and sinking your entire team like Blake was. We had bird rights on Bradley so he cost us zero cap space, literally nothing, just money.

Agree. Besides I’m excited to see Bradley play a hopefully healthy season. Same with Beverly. Having two pit bulls out there should be fun.

Jul 12, 2018 7:23am
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Jul 12, 2018 8:04am
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As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

Jul 12, 2018 8:18am
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I do wonder if they can stick Evans on the G-League?

Jul 12, 2018 8:22am
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Thanks for posting this article.  Always like to know what is going on and I don't like searching the internet for every scrap of information.  My opinion is that we should keep Milos on the roster.  Maybe he will defend better if his plantar fascia heals this summer.  And I always love the way he plays on offense.  Good veteran leadership is important.  And I would like to win next season and not tank and we need a guy like Milos to do that.

Jul 12, 2018 8:26am
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Mistwell wrote:

I do wonder if they can stick Evans on the G-League?

Of course they can, which is why it's ridiculous you guys keep saying that he could be cut because he is the odd man out.  We can assign SGA, Jerome, Williams or Thornwell as well.

Jul 12, 2018 8:32am
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Mistwell wrote:

I do wonder if they can stick Evans on the G-League?

He would still take up a roster spot.  Only guys on two-way contracts can be put in the G-league and not take up a roster spot.

Jul 12, 2018 8:53am
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Dyce wrote:

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I do wonder if they can stick Evans on the G-League?

He would still take up a roster spot.  Only guys on two-way contracts can be put in the G-league and not take up a roster spot.

Right. But he does qualifying for a two-way.  Here is the rule (which you already know this is just for reference):

"Beginning in the 2017 offseason, NBA rosters expanded from 15 to 17 players with the addition of two spots for players under “Two-Way Contracts.”

NBA teams may have up to two players under NBA Two-Way Contracts who will spend the bulk of the season in the NBA G League and not more than 45 days with their NBA team. Two-Way players are paid a corresponding daily amount based on the number of days they play in each league. Only players with four or fewer years of NBA service are able to sign Two-Way Contracts, which can be for either one or two seasons."

Jul 12, 2018 9:00am
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But he already has a contract.  He would have to be cut and then signed to a two-way contract.  

Jul 12, 2018 2:17pm
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Luc(as Hann) Richard Mbah a Moute@LucasJHann

The Clippers have until 11:59PM EST on July 14th to release Milos Teodosic and only owe him $2.1 million on his $6.3 million deal for next season.

With something like 55 hours to go, the clock is ticking for them to try to make a trade ahead of that deadline.

Jul 12, 2018 3:04pm
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Dyce wrote:

As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

 

I don't love Milos or anything, but to start the season I can't see him being behind the rookies. If we come into the season healthy though it becomes a problem because I wouldn't really want him eating up minutes in front of them either. We may be trying to play a fine line to have him and use him as an asset by the deadline. Our guards on one year deals should be valuable at the deadline.

Jul 12, 2018 4:00pm
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Of the listed guards, Milos is literally the only distributor on that list. Potentially the rookies can be as well, but neither is really adept at that right now. Someone has got to be the guy who can find Harris or Lou Williams to make the shot.

Jul 13, 2018 4:41pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

 

I don't love Milos or anything, but to start the season I can't see him being behind the rookies. If we come into the season healthy though it becomes a problem because I wouldn't really want him eating up minutes in front of them either. We may be trying to play a fine line to have him and use him as an asset by the deadline. Our guards on one year deals should be valuable at the deadline.

I don't believe this at all. No way am I putting Milos ahead of the rookies. That's moving the franchise backwards

Jul 13, 2018 6:14pm
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pro100 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

 

I don't love Milos or anything, but to start the season I can't see him being behind the rookies. If we come into the season healthy though it becomes a problem because I wouldn't really want him eating up minutes in front of them either. We may be trying to play a fine line to have him and use him as an asset by the deadline. Our guards on one year deals should be valuable at the deadline.

I don't believe this at all. No way am I putting Milos ahead of the rookies. That's moving the franchise backwards

Oh man, it's going to be one of those years. Good coaches know rookies need to build both confidence and endurance over time, and diving them right in as starters from day one while there are existing better players already on the team ends up harming both. Rookies start slow and small, and build on that through the year. Rush it, and you fuck it up.

 

Jul 13, 2018 6:58pm
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Mistwell wrote:

pro100 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

 

I don't love Milos or anything, but to start the season I can't see him being behind the rookies. If we come into the season healthy though it becomes a problem because I wouldn't really want him eating up minutes in front of them either. We may be trying to play a fine line to have him and use him as an asset by the deadline. Our guards on one year deals should be valuable at the deadline.

I don't believe this at all. No way am I putting Milos ahead of the rookies. That's moving the franchise backwards

Oh man, it's going to be one of those years. Good coaches know rookies need to build both confidence and endurance over time, and diving them right in as starters from day one while there are existing better players already on the team ends up harming both. Rookies start slow and small, and build on that through the year. Rush it, and you fuck it up.

 

 

Agreed, there's nothing to gain by starting them out like that to start the season. You lose the vet doing that and you also want to make the rookie earn it and learn things from those guys. You don't hold them back once they play their way into the rotation, but I like saving that move for later on once he's had to compete for those minutes. It's also good competition for the vet to have to keep up.

 

There are a few guys worthy of starting out of the gate, but even then I can't see any harm in bringing them off the bench at least for a little while. I can see a lot of ways for it to go wrong if they are given too much too soon and fail.

Jul 13, 2018 8:12pm
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Mistwell wrote:

pro100 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

As it stands, Milos is our 6th guard in the rotation.  Behind Beverley, Bradley, SGA, Lou, and Jerome.  If someone is offering an asset for him, go ahead and pull the trigger on a trade.

However there is no real advantage in straight up cutting him, he is serviceable when called upon. (Unlike Evans)  

 

 

I don't love Milos or anything, but to start the season I can't see him being behind the rookies. If we come into the season healthy though it becomes a problem because I wouldn't really want him eating up minutes in front of them either. We may be trying to play a fine line to have him and use him as an asset by the deadline. Our guards on one year deals should be valuable at the deadline.

I don't believe this at all. No way am I putting Milos ahead of the rookies. That's moving the franchise backwards

Oh man, it's going to be one of those years. Good coaches know rookies need to build both confidence and endurance over time, and diving them right in as starters from day one while there are existing better players already on the team ends up harming both. Rookies start slow and small, and build on that through the year. Rush it, and you fuck it up.

 

Ok, to go along with the old school narrative, I see maybe you start the season off with Pat Bev or Bradley ahead of the rooks but fucking Milos?? Come on man, that's bullshit!

Jul 14, 2018 7:30am
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Am I the only one who sees the benefits of Shai learning from Milos on offense? It's tough to think of many better offensive PGs in the world for him to learn the tools of the trade from. Shai is the future of the Clippers, and both Milos and Beverley have important roles in molding him into the best PG in the league on both sides.

Jul 14, 2018 9:50am
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Shai needs to go to the weight room and put on some muscle.  People are going to bang him around a lot more in the NBA than they did in summer league.  He is going to get hit and hit hard when he takes it to the basket.  I think he should get as many minutes as he can handle.  And of course it will depend on where we are in the standings.  Play the veterans as long as we are in playoff contention.  If we drop out of contention in the second half then everything goes into developing the rookies for the future.

Jul 14, 2018 9:55am
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SGA reminds me of Anfernee Penny Hardaway 

Jul 14, 2018 12:11pm
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Well as far as I can tell, we did not waive Milos by the deadline, and CBS reports we picked him up

Jul 14, 2018 4:58pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Well as far as I can tell, we did not waive Milos by the deadline, and CBS reports we picked him up

That’s just a link to the euro hoops article, but we still dont know yet. tomorrow is the deadline.

Jul 15, 2018 10:16pm
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Jul 15, 2018 10:27pm
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great now he can get us from the 11th to 10 seed

Jul 16, 2018 12:04am
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We can still trade him.

Jul 16, 2018 7:04am
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Imagine being angry that we kept a great point guard. Couldn't be me.

Jul 16, 2018 7:26am
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Dyce wrote:

We can still trade him.

Bingo, just another decent player that we can possibly move at the deadline for future assets. His durability sucked last year but hopefully this year is different. For one year 6 mill, the risk is worth it for us.

Jul 16, 2018 7:51am
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I hope he's healthy this season. LOVED how everybody would run when he's on the floor because he can throw the touchdown passes. 

Jul 16, 2018 8:31am
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I guess this means we can send Michineau back to France.  And cut Jawun Evans.  Being a fringe NBA player has to be tough on these guys.  Chasing the dream.  Evans just did not perform during the summer league and that isn't even elite competition.  Michineau did about as well as can be expected but our roster is so full of guards right now it is almost impossible for him to make the team although I would probably take him over Evans.

Jul 16, 2018 8:58am
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Love it. 50 win team if we are healthy. We need to win to attract FA’s next summer. 

Jul 16, 2018 10:42am
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V-Ice wrote:

Love it. 50 win team if we are healthy. We need to win to attract FA’s next summer. 

With Beverley, Bradley, Gallo and Milos, I can pretty much guarantee you we will NOT be healthy. But I like our depth much better this season behind those guys than I did last year, especially if we bring back Harrell.

Jul 16, 2018 11:10am
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Here are the season game averages for each of those players, for seasons they played

Gallinari: 53 (played 21 games for us last year)

Bradley: 57 (played 6 games for us last year and 46 games total last year) 

Beverley: 50 (played 11 games for us last year)

Milos: More difficult to compute. He played an average of 24 games/season overseas in a league that played variably around 30 games/season, or roughly 80% of their games. (played 45 games for us last year, and if he had played 80% then that would roughly translate to 66 games)

So, relative to last year, NONE of those players is AS injury prone as you may infer from last year. They all have had injuries of course, but all were injured meaningfully more than their career averages.

Now you can try and blame our training staff or age or something like that for this, but even that's doesn't really explain all of this (and remember those career averages include last year). Some real part of this just comes down to bad luck last year.

So while we should expect some injury time for these players next year, we should not expect nearly as much injury time as they had last year.

Jul 16, 2018 11:25am
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Mistwell wrote:

Here are the season game averages for each of those players, for seasons they played

Gallinari: 53 (played 21 games for us last year)

Bradley: 57 (played 6 games for us last year and 46 games total last year) 

Beverley: 50 (played 11 games for us last year)

Milos: More difficult to compute. He played an average of 24 games/season overseas in a league that played variably around 30 games/season, or roughly 80% of their games. (played 45 games for us last year, and if he had played 80% then that would roughly translate to 66 games)

So, relative to last year, NONE of those players is AS injury prone as you may infer from last year. They all have had injuries of course, but all were injured meaningfully more than their career averages.

Now you can try and blame our training staff or age or something like that for this, but even that's doesn't really explain all of this (and remember those career averages include last year). Some real part of this just comes down to bad luck last year.

So while we should expect some injury time for these players next year, we should not expect nearly as much injury time as they had last year.

I think 1800 minutes is a nice target for every player. That is 30 minutes/game for 60 games. Last season we had 3 guys play over 1800 minutes and 2 of those guys are no longer with the team (DJ and Austin).

Jul 16, 2018 12:19pm
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It was definitely wise to keep Milos over Evans who is not an NBA player. The only issue now is the rotation, but we can figure that out closer to the season once we see who is healthy or not. Jerome is not going to get many minutes early on with our roster as it stands and if healthy and that is probably ok. I'd like to have seen him get at least 12 min/game, but I don't see it now.

 

Shai on the other hand needs to be getting 18 min/game right away, he's ready to play. That becomes really hard to do with all these guys on the team. Of a lot of them other than Lou are pretty injury prone. Can we go with an approach of being very cautious with our resting patterns? A lot of these guys would benefit from that anyway, but until the first injury it's going to be tough to get them all minutes.

Jul 16, 2018 1:49pm
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Another note on Milos, I believe he is actually a RESTRICTED free agent next off-season for whatever that is worth. Could make him a little more valuable in a trade.

Jul 18, 2018 11:36am
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VFHS wrote:

Am I the only one who sees the benefits of Shai learning from Milos on offense? It's tough to think of many better offensive PGs in the world for him to learn the tools of the trade from. Shai is the future of the Clippers, and both Milos and Beverley have important roles in molding him into the best PG in the league on both sides.

 

Good post.

Jul 18, 2018 11:36am
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V-Ice wrote:

SGA reminds me of Anfernee Penny Hardaway 

 

Yuck.

Jul 18, 2018 12:09pm
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Hardaway was a hell of player before his injuries, check out his 95-96 season.  21ppts, 4reb, 7ast, 2 steals, with a 60% TS.  They got rolled by Jordan and 70 win Bulls in the playoffs, but he and Shaq both did ok that series, it was the rest of the team that crapped the bed.

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mannycoon wrote:

Hardaway was a hell of player before his injuries, check out his 95-96 season.  21ppts, 4reb, 7ast, 2 steals, with a 60% TS.  They got rolled by Jordan and 70 win Bulls in the playoffs, but he and Shaq both did ok that series, it was the rest of the team that crapped the bed.

 

Yeah.  He just didn't do it for me when watching him. 

 

His commercials were more interesting than watching him play.

 

There were too many other guards I liked more.

Jul 18, 2018 3:57pm
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At the time, I liked the Magic starting 5.

 

But I've since admitted it was more about Dennis Scott or Nick Anderson or Shaq.  Hardaway just never clicked as much as the hype.

 

Larry Johnson's commercials might have been even better than Hardaway's.