Milos Teidosic gone.

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#1 Jun 18, 2018 11:17am
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Jun 18, 2018 11:57am
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:(  Thanks.

Jun 18, 2018 12:05pm
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Didn't impress me, pretty big dissapointment.

Jun 18, 2018 12:08pm
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BTW it looks like he wants to opt in but the Clippers don't want him back:

"Sportando reports that, according to a source, the Clippers will opt to waive Teodosic if he opts in. The source cites concerns surrounding Teodosic’s health and age, with the Clippers having doubts about Milos’ ability to recover from the plantar fascia injury that cost him 37 games last season and preferring to add a younger player to their guard rotation instead."

He will count 2.1 mill against the cap if we don't pick up his option and he opts in.

Jun 18, 2018 12:12pm
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His fitness and overall game is not good enough to keep on for that money, I don't think he will ever hold up for 82 games. However I wouldn't care much either way since it's not long term money, but I'd also be open to bringing him back depending how the rest of FA goes. We have until the 15th it sounds like so that is a pretty beneficial clause for us to take a wait and see approach.

Jun 18, 2018 12:25pm
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This increases the chance of drafting a point guard.
Jun 18, 2018 1:22pm
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Given his age and health/fitness, and where we are at as a franchise, its not really a loss having him leave. He would be more useful as depth for a team ready to compete now or back in Europe as a lead player.
Jun 18, 2018 1:58pm
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Bradley will be back. I’m sure of it now. I like Milos but didn’t play much .
Jun 18, 2018 3:23pm
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I liked Milos a lot, I think you (and the Clippers coaching staff) are selling him short. He's worth his contract and I am sad to see him go. 

Jun 18, 2018 3:33pm
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If true, this reeks of Doc trying to minimize any potential competition for guard minutes with Austin. We were a better team when Milos was playing, but Doc wants the offense to be run through Austin, period.
Jun 18, 2018 3:34pm
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VFHS wrote:
This reeks of Doc trying to minimize any potential competition for guard minutes with Austin.
Don't agree. Believe milos just can stay healthy and they know it. Beverly will be our pg. We will also likely draft one. . .
Jun 18, 2018 3:37pm
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He's over 30, not under contract long term, has health and fitness issues and our team isnt seriously trying to compete year. Minutes would be better spent on players who project as possible better long term fits.
Jun 18, 2018 4:30pm
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One less guard and that's a good thing. If we can get rid of Jr. then it absolutely paves the way for Bradley being resigned, which is what I want. It would then would allow us to feel good about drafting a pg without adding to an already overflowing glut of guards.  

Jun 18, 2018 4:31pm
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We brought in Kalamian to coach defense.  First coaching move was to get rid of Milos who could not stay in front of anybody.  Next good move would be to get rid of Austin.  No disrespect to Milos but you can't coach guys to recover from plantar fasciitis and you can't coach them to defend when they lack the athleticism.

Note:  I am out for 10 days on vacation.

Jun 18, 2018 4:38pm
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Getting rid of Milos was to allow Austin more minutes.  It's pretty obvious.

Jun 18, 2018 5:55pm
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Clearly every move we make is with an eye on Austin's career. As long as the Spurs don't ask for him we will get Leonard, if they do deal breaker.

Jun 18, 2018 6:38pm
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SamIAm19 wrote:

Getting rid of Milos was to allow Austin more minutes.  It's pretty obvious.

Hopefully you are joking...if not fuck you
Jun 18, 2018 6:39pm
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Lou is next. He will be traded in Feb. Trust in Jerry and the process
Jun 18, 2018 6:59pm
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I Just don’t see us going into rebuilding mode. I can’t envision West, Winger and Ballmer thinking like this. But will see.
Jun 18, 2018 7:05pm
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Clears the way to draft one of the point guards. Sexton or the Kentucky kid.
Jun 18, 2018 9:06pm
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Milos showed flashes here and there but you can tell he puts no work in the weight room whatsoever. Plus all those rumors about him having a bad diet. Good move imo. Now if we can simply trade Austin somehow

Jun 18, 2018 9:48pm
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no big deal. I didn't think he was all that ... at least what he showed us last season.

Jun 19, 2018 9:26am
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VFHS wrote:
If true, this reeks of Doc trying to minimize any potential competition for guard minutes with Austin. We were a better team when Milos was playing, but Doc wants the offense to be run through Austin, period.

Milos can't stay on the court dummy.

If Doc was really trying to get Austin more minutes he would have re-signed Milos FOR SURE, knowing he would get hurt so Austin could take his minutes while that roster spot was tied up.

By letting him go, the Clippers are now forced to draft or sign a PG who can actually stay healthy, which is going to make it HARDER for Austin to get minutes.

Jun 19, 2018 9:38am
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trapp76 wrote:
Milos can't stay on the court dummy.

So you'll brand Milos as injury-prone based on one season, but you ignored CP0's career-long track record of being unable to stay healthy when he was on our team. More typical double standards.

Jun 19, 2018 10:20am
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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:
If true, this reeks of Doc trying to minimize any potential competition for guard minutes with Austin. We were a better team when Milos was playing, but Doc wants the offense to be run through Austin, period.

Milos can't stay on the court dummy.

If Doc was really trying to get Austin more minutes he would have re-signed Milos FOR SURE, knowing he would get hurt so Austin could take his minutes while that roster spot was tied up.

By letting him go, the Clippers are now forced to draft or sign a PG who can actually stay healthy, which is going to make it HARDER for Austin to get minutes.

 

Or they will draft someone whos bad so Austin gets more minutes anyways

Jun 19, 2018 10:28am
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It doesn't really matter who we sign, who we draft, who we let go, Austin is going to continue to play significant minutes whether he is productive or not as long as he and Doc are both here. All our other moves seem more or less independent of that and we Doc can cram Austin into any number of positions to fit with whoever else we end up having. Doc already got his extension, the step is whether or not Austin gets his new contract.
Jun 19, 2018 10:39am
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I'm on the other side of the camp. I thought we played well when he was in there. The ball moved when Milos was on the court and he was becoming comfortable at the three point line.  He does the little things to help your team win. I'd take Milos any day over Jr. 

Jun 19, 2018 11:00am
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ClipsAhoy wrote:

I'm on the other side of the camp. I thought we played well when he was in there. The ball moved when Milos was on the court and he was becoming comfortable at the three point line.  He does the little things to help your team win. I'd take Milos any day over Jr. 

Am with you but the health issues override how good he was. 

Jun 19, 2018 11:31am
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ClipsAhoy wrote:

I'm on the other side of the camp. I thought we played well when he was in there. The ball moved when Milos was on the court and he was becoming comfortable at the three point line.  He does the little things to help your team win. I'd take Milos any day over Jr. 

Agreed

Jun 19, 2018 11:31am
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angelfan1958 wrote:

ClipsAhoy wrote:

I'm on the other side of the camp. I thought we played well when he was in there. The ball moved when Milos was on the court and he was becoming comfortable at the three point line.  He does the little things to help your team win. I'd take Milos any day over Jr. 

Am with you but the health issues override how good he was. 

At the price we were paying for him, and the number of games we were getting from him, he was well worth it. It's not like his contract was high or he was missing the entire season. 

Jun 19, 2018 11:44am
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Imagine counting on Milos to get through an entire postseason healthy, good teams have to value durability.

Jun 19, 2018 11:44am
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Mistwell wrote:

angelfan1958 wrote:

ClipsAhoy wrote:

 

 

I'm on the other side of the camp. I thought we played well when he was in there. The ball moved when Milos was on the court and he was becoming comfortable at the three point line.  He does the little things to help your team win. I'd take Milos any day over Jr. 

Am with you but the health issues override how good he was. 

At the price we were paying for him, and the number of games we were getting from him, he was well worth it. It's not like his contract was high or he was missing the entire season. 

 

He basically played half the seaaon. As he ages the plantar fasicatis will continue to worsen. Again he was good when healthy

Jun 19, 2018 11:51am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Imagine counting on Milos to get through an entire postseason healthy, good teams have to value durability.

Good teams value good players, for whatever you can get out of them, provided you're paying for what you get out of them and the amount of time you can get them to play.

San Antonio, for example, understood this. They used injury prone players for years to great value. They watched their time carefully, they watched the schedule carefully, they trained people to replace them, and they managed it. 

The idea that you would entirely dismiss a good player because you can reasonably expect them to only play half the games is nonsense. It's just another issue a team should manage, and not some hard policy to follow. 

Jun 19, 2018 12:05pm
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VFHS wrote:

trapp76 wrote:
Milos can't stay on the court dummy.

So you'll brand Milos as injury-prone based on one season

Milos was only able to stay healthy for 54% of his games in a Clipper uniform, so yep that's right.

He also isn't even close to being as good as CP is when he's on the court.

Having a player who isn't as durable is much more tolerable when that player is actually good (Kawhi/CP) as opposed to bad (Blake) or mediocre (Milos/Gallo).

 

Jun 19, 2018 12:25pm
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Now you're calling Blake "bad" apart from his injuries?

Jun 19, 2018 12:28pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Now you're calling Blake "bad" apart from his injuries?

Yeah, for his salary, he's bad.

Jun 19, 2018 1:39pm
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Ah, I just realized this may be a ploy to get Milos to opt out.

In fact, it's really looking that way. 

Odds he opts out now?

Jun 19, 2018 2:59pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Ah, I just realized this may be a ploy to get Milos to opt out.

In fact, it's really looking that way. 

Odds he opts out now?

Why would he opt out?

If he opts in and the Clippers release him, he gets 2.1 mill guaranteed from the Clippers AND he gets to go be a free agent.

If he opts out he loses that 2.1 mill.

Jun 19, 2018 3:17pm
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I am not positive but I believe he cannot play overseas if he opts in and continues to be paid by an NBA team (even if the pay is lower due to a waiver) without express permission from the Clippers. It's usually a clause used the other direction - to force an NBA team to pay off a foriegn team to agree to grant permission to transfer leagues.

I am not sure if that one applies. Honestly the CBA is written in a kind of byzantium manner so it's hard to look up a clause like that. 

Jun 20, 2018 12:36pm
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If he really wants to go elsewhere and thinks he could get a longer term deal maybe he opts out, but it would be risky if by that time we don't need the cap space and just accept him. I wouldn't be opposed to having to keep him on another year if other things don't pan out.

Jun 20, 2018 12:41pm
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Reports are the "elsewhere" is the Serbian league. Who want to pay him. 

Jun 20, 2018 6:58pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Reports are the "elsewhere" is the Serbian league. Who want to pay him. 

Real Madrid is looking for a point guard.

Jun 20, 2018 9:50pm
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It would be stupid to get rid of Milos and I doubt the reports are true, unless one or more of the following:

1) There are real concerns about his injury & fitness

2) Cap space is needed to go for a big time free agent or two

3) Focus is completely on rebuilding

4) Front office are a bunch of idiots

The reason I doubt the report is true is because he had a massive impact on winning games (something most fans don`t realize, but front office & coaching staff knows), and that was while nursing an injury and adapting to the NBA game. He was clearly getting more used to the game and shooting lights out in the second part of the season.

So at the worst case he will be like last season, when I think he deserved his contract. A more realistic scenario would be him shooting higher averages, and an optimistic scenario would be him staying healthy for the entire season and averaging like 12 & 7 on 49% shooting and 43% from deep.

If he opts in and gets cut I can see him being very disappointed and returning to Europe.

Jul 10, 2018 11:48am
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Rostick wrote:

It would be stupid to get rid of Milos and I doubt the reports are true, unless one or more of the following:

1) There are real concerns about his injury & fitness

2) Cap space is needed to go for a big time free agent or two

3) Focus is completely on rebuilding

4) Front office are a bunch of idiots

The reason I doubt the report is true is because he had a massive impact on winning games (something most fans don`t realize, but front office & coaching staff knows), and that was while nursing an injury and adapting to the NBA game. He was clearly getting more used to the game and shooting lights out in the second part of the season.

So at the worst case he will be like last season, when I think he deserved his contract. A more realistic scenario would be him shooting higher averages, and an optimistic scenario would be him staying healthy for the entire season and averaging like 12 & 7 on 49% shooting and 43% from deep.

If he opts in and gets cut I can see him being very disappointed and returning to Europe.

 

Good post.

Jul 11, 2018 7:10am
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Jul 11, 2018 8:58am
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Great news. 

Jul 11, 2018 10:36am
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Mistwell wrote:

Milos Staying!

 

Is that the right link?

Jul 11, 2018 10:36am
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Jul 11, 2018 10:41am
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When I saw this thread title again today, I had to see if V-Ice had created it.  Because 1/2 the time, when V-Ice predicts something, it goes the other way.  kiss cheeky

Jul 11, 2018 10:49am
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Probably means Evans is gonna get cut if we don't trade Milos.

Jul 11, 2018 11:01am
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trapp76 wrote:

Probably means Evans is gonna get cut if we don't trade Milos.

Is there some reason we can't trade Evans??