Kawhi wants to come to LA.

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Jun 16, 2018 9:49pm
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If they are willing to include Ingram, Ball and Kuzma the Clippers aren't capable of beating that offer. Having control of a player for 7-8 years that you know is good is super valuable. Draft picks are a crap shoot at 12/13 so even though they definitely don't want Ball, Ingram and Kuzma are easily worth more than those picks.

 

Deng hurts the offer a lot, but maybe SA doesn't even have to take him on if a 3rd team comes along. Idk I'm more just hoping SA just doesn't want to trade with the Lakers.

Jun 16, 2018 9:59pm
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i dont think the lakers have to offer deng since they are so far under the cap
Jun 16, 2018 11:15pm
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Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

Jun 17, 2018 1:36am
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Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.
Jun 17, 2018 9:18am
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The Lakers young core players are trash. I like Hart though.
Jun 17, 2018 12:52pm
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If Leonard would sign an extension, then a Cousins for Leonard sign-and-trade makes sense for both teams (Pelicans).

Jun 17, 2018 1:14pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

If Leonard would sign an extension, then a Cousins for Leonard sign-and-trade makes sense for both teams (Pelicans).

Cousins is a FA also. I doubt Pops want to take a chance on him coming off injury. Even if healthy he’s not exactly Pop’s type.
Jun 17, 2018 6:19pm
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I don't think the rest of the league is as low on the Lakers young players as this board. The funny thing is a lot did seem somewhat high on Clarkson from the comments, but I've always considered him pretty worthless.

 

Even Ball is still a solid piece. That was a really bad pick though with Tatum on the board and the problem is his value is crushed by BBB. No one wants that circus in town.

Jun 17, 2018 6:22pm
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Not sure it matters what "the league" thinks on that topic though, 

Jun 17, 2018 7:26pm
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Not sure what point you're trying to make here

Jun 17, 2018 10:21pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

I don't think the rest of the league is as low on the Lakers young players as this board. The funny thing is a lot did seem somewhat high on Clarkson from the comments, but I've always considered him pretty worthless.

 

Even Ball is still a solid piece. That was a really bad pick though with Tatum on the board and the problem is his value is crushed by BBB. No one wants that circus in town.

You're not thinking about all the distractions off the court that Ball would bring. Can you imagine Pop having to deal with all that bullshit? He probably wants nothing to do with him because of that. Ball is probably pretty much an a  "DO NOT TRADE FOR" list with several teams just based on the baggage alone.

Lakers could have taken Tatum and not had to deal with any of that BS, you know they are regretting that.

Jun 17, 2018 10:25pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

If they are willing to include Ingram, Ball and Kuzma the Clippers aren't capable of beating that offer. Having control of a player for 7-8 years that you know is good is super valuable. 

That "you know is good"? Do we really "know" how good those players are going to be? They aren't necessarily locks to be big time players. You could be taking on a lot of risk with those players. Is it the best offer they will get though? Maybe. We'll see what other teams can come up with and who Leonard agrees or doesn't agree to sign with long term.

Jun 18, 2018 6:45am
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There's no possible way that the Lakers are willing to include all 3 or even 2 of those 3 young players. The spurs want no part of the ball family at all. Kuzma would not go over well with Pop. Ingram is the only one of value to the spurs and Ingram, Deng, and picks are not a better offer. Even if they Lakers don't trade Deng and they stretch his salary, it's still 7 mill/year which is right under what were paying Lou Williams. 

I think a bigggg reason of why the Lakers get so much hype is because of the media. All anyone hears is how good their young prospects are and how valuable other teams see them. I really don't think that's the case at all. I've only seen this team with young players who have had veterans to fill out the roster to help mentor and still not win games. Idk obviously i'm a little biased too. 

Jun 18, 2018 7:29am
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tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.

 

I'm trying to figure this out as well. All this media push for everyone to go to the Lakers is bullsh*t imo. Might be a mandate from Adam Sliver and company to push the "everyone PREFERS the Lakers" narrative. 

Jun 18, 2018 7:46am
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Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Jun 18, 2018 7:58am
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In the end they will take the best deal for their franchise.  

Jun 18, 2018 8:57am
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Dyce wrote:

In the end they will take the best deal for their franchise.  

What's best for the franchise includes a consideration of creating a new competitor in the western conference.

Jun 18, 2018 9:38am
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Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

 

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

Jun 18, 2018 9:55am
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gilp5 wrote:

Dyce wrote:

In the end they will take the best deal for their franchise.  

What's best for the franchise includes a consideration of creating a new competitor in the western conference.

Yes, but unless they think they have a great chance of winning next season, they should pick the trade in which helps their roster better. He can come to LA or wherever he wants in the west next year. If truely he wants to be in LA, then they need to take the best offer available to them for their roster.

Jun 18, 2018 10:07am
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trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

A team like Boston would be willing to take him without an agreement to sign long term. If they make the finals and can also offer him the largest contract I don't think they will be too concerned he will bolt for a lottery team like the Lakers. They also have - by far - better trade assets than the Lakers to offer SA.

Jun 18, 2018 10:27am
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

A team like Boston would be willing to take him without an agreement to sign long term. 

At what price? It's a huge gamble. I don't think they would be willing to offer very much without a commitment from Leonard long term. I just can't see the Spurs getting enough back in a deal from any team that Leonard is not willing to commit to long term. The most attractive deals are going to be from the teams he is willing to commit to.

Jun 18, 2018 10:35am
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trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

A team like Boston would be willing to take him without an agreement to sign long term. 

At what price? It's a huge gamble. I don't think they would be willing to offer very much without a commitment from Leonard long term. I just can't see the Spurs getting enough back in a deal from any team that Leonard is not willing to commit to long term. The most attractive deals are going to be from the teams he is willing to commit to.

They would offer Hayward or Irving and pics for him. It's not as much of a gamble as you make it out to be, especially since they have an abundance of talent.

Jun 18, 2018 12:06pm
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

A team like Boston would be willing to take him without an agreement to sign long term. 

At what price? It's a huge gamble. I don't think they would be willing to offer very much without a commitment from Leonard long term. I just can't see the Spurs getting enough back in a deal from any team that Leonard is not willing to commit to long term. The most attractive deals are going to be from the teams he is willing to commit to.

They would offer Hayward or Irving and pics for him. 

I disagree. I don't think they would offer that if he wasn't committing long term. But we will see.

Jun 18, 2018 12:09pm
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Kawhi, Bron and PG13 all being talked about going to the Lakers.... nothing about going to Clippers. I’m not saying all 3 will join the Lakers but still. Frustrating.
Jun 18, 2018 1:18pm
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tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.
Anonymous sources: "According to sources not authorized to speak publicly, the Lakers have long been Leonard’s preferred destination, though the Clippers are among the teams he would consider"
Jun 18, 2018 1:30pm
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JGlanton wrote:
tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.
Anonymous sources: "According to sources not authorized to speak publicly, the Lakers have long been Leonard’s preferred destination, though the Clippers are among the teams he would consider"

That quote implies there are multiple teams he would consider apart from the Lakers or Clippers.

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JGlanton wrote:
tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.
Anonymous sources: "According to sources not authorized to speak publicly, the Lakers have long been Leonard’s preferred destination, though the Clippers are among the teams he would consider"

Woj reported he preferred Lakers initially, but then later changed it and said he preferred to go to "LA".

Jun 18, 2018 3:04pm
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JGlanton][quote=tullabye wrote:
Dyce wrote:

Yup.  If they wait to make it official after July 1st then the Lakers can just absorb the extra salary and the Spurs get a TPE.  Crazy but not only are the Lakers his preferred destination, but also probably offering the Spurs the best deal.  The only reason he might not end up there is if the Spurs just hate the Lakers so much that they are willing to take a lesser deal from another team.

When or where has Kawhi said that he specifically prefers the Lakers? I haven’t heard that except from 710 radio. I have heard Pops gush over DJ more than once though.
Anonymous sources: "According to sources not authorized to speak publicly, the Lakers have long been Leonard’s preferred destination, though the Clippers are among the teams he would consider"[/quote

 

Anonymous sources means that it might be true or it may be total bs. Given the track record these days for supposed anonymous sources I'll choose to wait for a quote from him or someone willing to attach their name to it 

Jun 18, 2018 4:44pm
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Hes not going to the Clippers. No one is

Jun 18, 2018 4:50pm
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Jun 18, 2018 5:23pm
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gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Most recent report I saw was Pop has no interest in trading with a western conference team and would take 0.75 on the dollar to make sure he goes east. 

Spurs-Lakers was a pretty intense playoff rivalry in the 2000s, I would not be surprised if Pop still has bad blood left over from that. But in reality that can't be the only consideration here. This is going to come down to two factors:

1) Who will Leonard agree to sign with long term?

2) Once question 1 is answered, which one of those teams he is willing to sign with will offer the best package?

They are just not going to get a good enough offer from any team that Leonard doesn't agree to sign with long term. Those teams will be too spooked to offer anything of much value (as they should be).

A team like Boston would be willing to take him without an agreement to sign long term. 

At what price? It's a huge gamble. I don't think they would be willing to offer very much without a commitment from Leonard long term. I just can't see the Spurs getting enough back in a deal from any team that Leonard is not willing to commit to long term. The most attractive deals are going to be from the teams he is willing to commit to.

They would offer Hayward or Irving and pics for him. It's not as much of a gamble as you make it out to be, especially since they have an abundance of talent.

Hayward or Irving? Two guys coming off injuries themselves. I'd rather have Ingram.
Jun 18, 2018 5:33pm
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Isn’t Ingram coming off injury too? All things being equal Ingram can’t stack up against those two.
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Agree w Sam
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tullabye wrote:
Isn’t Ingram coming off injury too? All things being equal Ingram can’t stack up against those two.
Irving is also a free agent in 2019 and wants to test the waters. Irving doesn't solve SA problem of having a star that can bolt in a year. As for Hayward. I wouldn't trade Tabias straight up for him right now.
Jun 18, 2018 7:20pm
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I guess it all depends on Hayward coming back healthy. Obviously if he’s not good to go then I agree but if healthy I’d certainly make that trade. Unfortunately the Celtics wouldn’t though.
Jun 18, 2018 8:05pm
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tullabye wrote:
I guess it all depends on Hayward coming back healthy. Obviously if he’s not good to go then I agree but if healthy I’d certainly make that trade. Unfortunately the Celtics wouldn’t though.

Kawhi has the same health issues.

Jun 19, 2018 12:29am
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Hayward's injury doesn't seem like the type to be overly worried about long term. I think he's got consierably more value than Tobias who only has 1 year left on his deal and then who knows what kind of contract it will take to get him. I do like Tobias on his current deal, but if he's getting 25m I don't know how I'll feel about that.

Jun 19, 2018 9:22am
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clipfan88 wrote:

Harris and picks for Leonard????

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-clippers-willing-offer-tobias-201833154.html?src=rss

That is pretty much the best offer we can put together that doesn't involve an opted in DJ. 

Harris plus 12 and 13 is not a great offer unfortunately. We are not gonna have enough firepower to get this deal done unless we can include DJ or get a third team involved to give the Spurs more assets.

Jun 19, 2018 9:35am
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I like Harris and would hate to see him go, yet at the same time, I don't know what his price tag is going to be the following season, so he may only be with us 1 more year anyway.

Jun 19, 2018 10:10am
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The only way I think we can get this done is if we can make a trade with Cleveland, the idea being they tell LBJ that they are willing to go and get DJ to help on the inside. Is that enough to entice LBJ into staying, probably not, but that's the only slim chance we have. Some combination od DJ to Cavs for the 8th and players (salary match).  Then we offer Tobias, 8, 12, for Kawhi and cave in with the 13th if neded. A true longshot but I don't think the Spurs make a deal with us based on what we have to offer right now.

Jun 19, 2018 11:09am
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The time for Cleveland to get DJ was at the deadline. That could have helped them if they had manuevered it to get Austin or Bradley (in a separate deal). Instead they took that foolish Lakers trade and even got praised for it.

 

I think Lebron would have liked DJ at the time bc other guys weren't available, but now that he's a FA to keep him Cle is going to have to go get George or Kawhi. I feel like those are the guys he wants and fit with what he's looking for first.

Jun 19, 2018 9:43pm
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Pop flew to San Diego tonight to meet with Leonard in a last ditch effort to keep him. This worked with Aldridge.
Jun 19, 2018 11:05pm
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trapp76 wrote:
Pop flew to San Diego tonight to meet with Leonard in a last ditch effort to keep him. This worked with Aldridge.

From ESPN: "The Spurs are unlikely to be motivated to facilitate a deal to the Lakers, league sources said."

Jun 19, 2018 11:07pm
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CP3 was definitely a Laker... and then...
Jun 20, 2018 12:27am
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Pop is willing to take a discount trade to send KL to the East. Lakers better trade everyone including Gelo
Jun 20, 2018 9:36am
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Laker fan's really don't understand that they do not have a great shot at Kawhi at all. More tweets below re: Kawhi

 

Re Kawhi: I’ve been told Jerry West is running point on all attempts to acquire him via trade, and he doesn’t want the Clippers to remain second-fiddle in LA. He will be aggressive during the Draft—Picks 12 and 13 are in play, along with multiple players.

 

. telling us she doesn't think Pop would trade Kawhi to the Lakers. The Clippers, however, could definitely be in play (two lottery picks)...

 

Jun 20, 2018 10:06am
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That’s a lot. I’m not saying I would be upset but that is quite the haul for San Antonio (taking into consideration that he only played like 9 games last season).
Jun 20, 2018 10:35am
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trapp76 wrote:

clipfan88 wrote:

Harris and picks for Leonard????

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-clippers-willing-offer-tobias-201833154.html?src=rss

That is pretty much the best offer we can put together that doesn't involve an opted in DJ. 

Harris plus 12 and 13 is not a great offer unfortunately. We are not gonna have enough firepower to get this deal done unless we can include DJ or get a third team involved to give the Spurs more assets.

 

I feel the opposite.   As good as Kawhi is, 2 mid level #1's and a good player (Harris) is too much.  WE can keep the 2 draft picks and shed some bad contracts and see this process through.  NO SHORTCUTS!  No one thought the Jazz would be that good last year, they struck gold on a late 1st round draft pick, we could do the same!

 

 

Jun 20, 2018 10:37am
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Just heard Stephen A Smith say don't rule us out. He brought up a story about how Jerry West was promised a $1 million bonus if he signed Shaq in 1996. Dr. Buzz reneged. West from that point on wanted to get back at Lakers.

Jun 20, 2018 11:43am
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Kawhi Leonard told Gregg Popovich during their Tuesday meeting that he no longer wants to play for the Spurs, according to Stephen A. Smith.

Leonard has made it clear that he'd like to be traded to one of the Los Angeles-based teams, and that his preference would be to go to the Lakers. It's not a great look for Leonard's camp that he first went to the media, and not management, with his trade request, but perhaps that's an indication of how badly fractured their relationship has become.