Honest question for CP3's apologists

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May 1, 2017 5:02pm
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I guess what I want to know is do you think he picks up the option and returns to the clippers?

May 1, 2017 5:47pm
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htownfan wrote:

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He's not that type of player. He already did significantly increase his numbers, but asking him to be a 40 point scorer is too much. That's like saying Harden has to average 15 rebounds and play lock down defense on the other team's player all game to win a series instead of getting to rest on Roberson all game. A hell of a lot easier to increase your workload by that much when you get to rest half the time. I mean we're splitting hairs here IMO anyway, but I still think he measures up to most of the elite players in the league.

 

Houston is built better for JH's strengths and weaknesses currently no matter what was thought at the beginning of the year. What happened last year when Houston was not built for Harden's strengths? 

Harden still averaged 29 7.6 and 6 with inferior talent.  Who does that?  He still was 5th in the league in assists with terrible shooters......

Harden has a lot to do with making these players better as well.  Just look at what everyone of these "role" players did prior to getting to Houston.  He has helped to elevate their game to get them "wide open shots"  He led the league in assists that led to wide open shots.  He does everything offensively at an "elite" level in scoring and assisting and getting to the free throw line.

CP3 has had the same core for the last 7 years so chemistry plays a big part as well.  This is Harden's first year with this core...First year!!!  You would have thought that CP3 would have done much more by now with the All star talent he has.  Do you blame management for not getting CP3 players more suited for him?

 

Is it Harden elevating their game or D'antoni? I'm not saying it isn't Harden, but some of the credit has to go to the system they are now in which is known to inflate stats. I just have a hard time seeing CP ever not being able to have an above .500 record no matter who he's playing next to. 

 

As for not getting players more suited to him, I do blame management a little. I think CP, Blake and DJ are a little bit less than the sum of their parts but I understand not breaking them up even as the game is going away from that. They've given him pretty shit role players for the entirety of his being here though. And the guys who aren't shitty in the regular season at least fall on their faces in the playoffs.

May 1, 2017 5:49pm
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htownfan wrote:

I guess what I want to know is do you think he picks up the option and returns to the clippers?

 

I don't think any max player with an option is picking it up with the salary cap spike. I think they all opt out. Whether they return or not is hard to say. I think it's more likely they do return, but there is a decent chance they may go elsewhere

May 1, 2017 8:30pm
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It doesn't matter if you go with 3 max players or 1 superstar and a few other mid tier guys. What you have to do is hit on the stuff you aren't expected to every time. You need a later draft pick to pan out. You need a cheapish FA signing to blow up in a big way. You need to hit on a trade. You need a few of these type of things to happen and when they do it supplements your core enough to contend.

 

Basically everything Doc has struck out on repeatedly and then some

May 3, 2017 3:42pm
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I would beg to differ on that because I believe there are quite a few players that could have gotten this team out of the the first round in the same situation and players that CP3 had

List them. No Lebron or Durant please.

Well Harden, Westbrook and Curry to start.  In Harden's and Westbrook's case they both are much better scorers than CP3 and just as good or even better in getting good shots for their teammates and what also separates those two is the ability to get to the line and getting folks into foul trouble and into the penalty earlier which allows the ability to score when the shots aren't falling,  It also gives their defense time to set up.

 I also believe Isiaih Thomas and John Wall as well.  All of these players are better than CP3 at this point of his career.  You took away Durant and Lebron..........

 

Strongly disagree on Thomas even on offense, not even factoring in being a liability on defense vs one of the very best in the league. Your entire list doesn't factor in the huge decline in defense this team would take, but just for the sake of offense I think on this team without Blake (or with a lesser version of him) I would agree that Curry, Westbrook and Harden would help the offense. They would give most of that back on defense, but they would probably get you a round further.

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

May 3, 2017 4:02pm
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Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

May 3, 2017 4:39pm
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Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

May 3, 2017 4:44pm
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htownfan wrote:

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Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

Very Easily!

Didn't you see game 1?

May 3, 2017 4:56pm
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htownfan wrote:

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Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too. 

I gotta disagree when you characterize John Wall as being clutch in that game.  He was not. He was gassed by the 4th quarter, and was not nearly as good in the 4th and overtime. 

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That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

Who cares what Kobe thinks.  I'll take resting the starters the entire fourth quarter because the game is over overtime heroics any day, even if overtime heroics are more memorable.

Thunder won the series, but you asked about a single game not a series.  The Durant/Westbrook Thunder were way better than this year's Wizards or Bulls.  

May 3, 2017 5:09pm
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htownfan wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

htownfan wrote:

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htownfan wrote:

I would beg to differ on that because I believe there are quite a few players that could have gotten this team out of the the first round in the same situation and players that CP3 had

List them. No Lebron or Durant please.

Well Harden, Westbrook and Curry to start.  In Harden's and Westbrook's case they both are much better scorers than CP3 and just as good or even better in getting good shots for their teammates and what also separates those two is the ability to get to the line and getting folks into foul trouble and into the penalty earlier which allows the ability to score when the shots aren't falling,  It also gives their defense time to set up.

 I also believe Isiaih Thomas and John Wall as well.  All of these players are better than CP3 at this point of his career.  You took away Durant and Lebron..........

 

Strongly disagree on Thomas even on offense, not even factoring in being a liability on defense vs one of the very best in the league. Your entire list doesn't factor in the huge decline in defense this team would take, but just for the sake of offense I think on this team without Blake (or with a lesser version of him) I would agree that Curry, Westbrook and Harden would help the offense. They would give most of that back on defense, but they would probably get you a round further.

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

 

Yes I praised him for it, it was really an amazing performance. I may place a higher value on efficiency and 2 way players than you do, but I won't argue that Chris is not capable of that type of scoring with the load he carries on defense too. I think in today's game, which is partially why Isaiah is having such a break out season, having a guy that can shoot 3's as well as drive with the space created by having 4-5 shooters on the floor is a more effective model than what the Clippers are running.

 

Penetration was always important, but the game favors it so much now that you can run a great offense with that formula. Even with my homer glasses off I do think putting Chris on that team would make them better, but he's not going to give you 53 point games. It will be more like 30 with 15 assists while playing great defense.

May 3, 2017 5:14pm
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mannycoon wrote:

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That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

Who cares what Kobe thinks.  I'll take resting the starters the entire fourth quarter because the game is over overtime heroics any day, even if overtime heroics are more memorable.

Thunder won the series, but you asked about a single game not a series.  The Durant/Westbrook Thunder were way better than this year's Wizards or Bulls.  

 

We also likely win that series if not for some pretty inconsistent calls down the stretch. That out of bounds call they gave to them when the same rule was applied against us earlier in the playoffs was peak hypocrisy. And the 3 point foul they called on the next play was pretty phantom and probably not called 99% of the time, but the refs were out to stick it to Doc after he lost it with them.

 

I feel like they're are all these instances where a series of the unlikeliest things happen and it sounds like usual fan whining, but it really is amazing how many fluke/questionable has had to happen for some of these "chokes" to happen.

May 3, 2017 5:34pm
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That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

Who cares what Kobe thinks.  I'll take resting the starters the entire fourth quarter because the game is over overtime heroics any day, even if overtime heroics are more memorable.

Thunder won the series, but you asked about a single game not a series.  The Durant/Westbrook Thunder were way better than this year's Wizards or Bulls.  

I still think Thomas game was much better....

But if that resting the starters doesnt lead to a series win then its all for naught.  I am for contributions that lead to a series win myself.  I know its yet to be determined so we will have to wait but if Boston does win.....He will be in the conference finals.....

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We also likely win that series if not for some pretty inconsistent calls down the stretch. That out of bounds call they gave to them when the same rule was applied against us earlier in the playoffs was peak hypocrisy. And the 3 point foul they called on the next play was pretty phantom and probably not called 99% of the time, but the refs were out to stick it to Doc after he lost it with them.

I feel like they're are all these instances where a series of the unlikeliest things happen and it sounds like usual fan whining, but it really is amazing how many fluke/questionable has had to happen for some of these "chokes" to happen.

Oh brother,,

May 3, 2017 5:49pm
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Mistwell wrote:

htownfan wrote:

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htownfan wrote:

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too. 

I gotta disagree when you characterize John Wall as being clutch in that game.  He was not. He was gassed by the 4th quarter, and was not nearly as good in the 4th and overtime. 

Yeah you are probably right about his finish..he did have a couple of baskets in the 4th quarter and had that blockl but he did kinda fade after being terrific up to the 4th.  He did end up with 40 and 13 on 50% shooting....

 

BTW do you still think Boston is not a contender?  I remember you not considering them one earlier this year when you were questioning our defense.

May 3, 2017 6:00pm
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htownfan wrote:

mannycoon wrote:

htownfan wrote:

 

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too.

I guarantee you that CP3 didn't get half the praise that was given to Thomas and his performance.  Even the great Kobe Bryant was amazed....

BTW did the Clippers even win that series????

Who cares what Kobe thinks.  I'll take resting the starters the entire fourth quarter because the game is over overtime heroics any day, even if overtime heroics are more memorable.

Thunder won the series, but you asked about a single game not a series.  The Durant/Westbrook Thunder were way better than this year's Wizards or Bulls.  

I still think Thomas game was much better....

But if that resting the starters doesnt lead to a series win then its all for naught.  I am for contributions that lead to a series win myself.  I know its yet to be determined so we will have to wait but if Boston does win.....He will be in the conference finals.....

 

You obviously watch a lot of basketball so I don't see why you always lean into the results so heavily. Of course it matter, but it's never that simple. Like it was pointed out getting to the conference Finals in the East is not the same as the West when you're playing contenders in each round possibly. And the but did he win argument when he loses his 2nd best player. Other than Lebron not too many guys are winning things without a lot of help

 

May 3, 2017 6:01pm
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Sorry H-Town, you sound like a troll now.....

May 3, 2017 6:04pm
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htownfan wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

htownfan wrote:

mannycoon wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too. 

I gotta disagree when you characterize John Wall as being clutch in that game.  He was not. He was gassed by the 4th quarter, and was not nearly as good in the 4th and overtime. 

Yeah you are probably right about his finish..he did have a couple of baskets in the 4th quarter and had that blockl but he did kinda fade after being terrific up to the 4th.  He did end up with 40 and 13 on 50% shooting....

 

BTW do you still think Boston is not a contender?  I remember you not considering them one earlier this year when you were questioning our defense.

 

I don't consider them a contender, they're just in an easy conference. A contender means championship contender and I don't see anyway they get by Cle or whoever is left in the West. They almost lost in the first round and if they had been in the West I'd be shockded if they got past one round. That's why I don't like results only based arguments

May 3, 2017 6:15pm
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The Celtics were only 8th in SRS/MOV this year, that isn't too good.  The Cavs were only 7th, but in their case there is legit evidence Lebron can pick things up in the playoffs unlike pretty much anyone else.  Otherwise the top three teams are the clear favorites, the Warriors by a huge margin, then the Spurs and the Rockets.  If the Celtics are a contender so are the Raptors or Jazz and I think that is a stretch.  Maybe "fringe contender" at best.

This year's Warriors have a higher SRS and margin of victory than last year's team, despite fewer wins.

May 3, 2017 6:21pm
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What does it tell you that the Raptors have had more postseason success than the Clippers and you look at the postseason numbers of Lowry/Derozan vs Paul/Griffin. Are they just finding a way to get it done with this horrid shooting numbers or does it have to do with level of competition?

May 3, 2017 7:03pm
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htownfan wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

htownfan wrote:

mannycoon wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

That was a pretty good game but it doesn;t compare to what Thomas did last night  Pretty sure his will be more memorable....he scored like 19 points in the 4th on incredible shots and he also had 9 in OT.  He was clutch as well as John Wall too. 

I gotta disagree when you characterize John Wall as being clutch in that game.  He was not. He was gassed by the 4th quarter, and was not nearly as good in the 4th and overtime. 

Yeah you are probably right about his finish..he did have a couple of baskets in the 4th quarter and had that blockl but he did kinda fade after being terrific up to the 4th.  He did end up with 40 and 13 on 50% shooting....

 

BTW do you still think Boston is not a contender?  I remember you not considering them one earlier this year when you were questioning our defense.

I really like Boston, but I still think Lebron will take the east, and I don't think it will be that close. And I think Boston would have no prayer against GSW. But yeah, below Cavs, I'd say Boston is very good in the East. Contenders? Not really. 

May 4, 2017 4:09am
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I really like Boston, but I still think Lebron will take the east, and I don't think it will be that close. And I think Boston would have no prayer against GSW. But yeah, below Cavs, I'd say Boston is very good in the East. Contenders? Not really. 

I agree I would have my money on Lebron but with Boston with the HCA I think they have a chance should they get by the Wizards.  You guys have high standards for contenders..I would think anyone that makes the top 4 (Conference finals) is a contender.  By most of your standards if you are not Golden St or Cleveland you aren't a contender.

May 4, 2017 5:31am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

What does it tell you that the Raptors have had more postseason success than the Clippers and you look at the postseason numbers of Lowry/Derozan vs Paul/Griffin. Are they just finding a way to get it done with this horrid shooting numbers or does it have to do with level of competition?

Good point!  But in my mind even with their team success I don't consider those two in the same stratosphere as Cp3.  What I can say for them though is that they have to play against the best player in the world every year to do anything. Six years straight and more than likely seven he has made the finals. I would say its much harder to come out the East than the west if your name isn't Lebron.  Just ask the folks who don't have championships because of Michael Jordan.  A lot of you say that's the only reason the Rox have their two.

May 4, 2017 6:43am
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htownfan wrote:

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I really like Boston, but I still think Lebron will take the east, and I don't think it will be that close. And I think Boston would have no prayer against GSW. But yeah, below Cavs, I'd say Boston is very good in the East. Contenders? Not really. 

I agree I would have my money on Lebron but with Boston with the HCA I think they have a chance should they get by the Wizards.  You guys have high standards for contenders..I would think anyone that makes the top 4 (Conference finals) is a contender.  By most of your standards if you are not Golden St or Cleveland you aren't a contender.

In many years if you're top 4 you're a contender.  

In this year, it's top 2. Cavs and GSW are that good.  

May 4, 2017 8:04am
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You obviously watch a lot of basketball so I don't see why you always lean into the results so heavily. Of course it matter, but it's never that simple. Like it was pointed out getting to the conference Finals in the East is not the same as the West when you're playing contenders in each round possibly. And the but did he win argument when he loses his 2nd best player. Other than Lebron not too many guys are winning things without a lot of help

Ok lets just say I give you your argument that its much harder to get to the West finals than the East finals.  I still say that the core team that Cp3 has played has been together longer than any other core right now and has had ample/more opportunities to make the WCF. Even in New Orleans he had all-stars for teammates. If its much harder then why has virtually every other "superstar" in the West have at least played in the WCF?  Westbrook, Durant, Curry, Thompson, Harden, Leonard  and heck even underrated Mike Conley/Gasol has gotten there?  Only 1 that comes to mind who hasn't is Dame Lilliard but he really hasn't been in the league that long.so he gets a pass.

Don't you find that odd?  And the common denominator?  CP3?  Unfortunately until he gets past that hurdle, that is going to be a top of the list in conversation.

Like they say, sometimes it is better to be lucky than good?

May 4, 2017 8:05am
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htownfan wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

You obviously watch a lot of basketball so I don't see why you always lean into the results so heavily. Of course it matter, but it's never that simple. Like it was pointed out getting to the conference Finals in the East is not the same as the West when you're playing contenders in each round possibly. And the but did he win argument when he loses his 2nd best player. Other than Lebron not too many guys are winning things without a lot of help

Ok lets just say I give you your argument that its much harder to get to the West finals than the East finals.  I still say that the core team that Cp3 has played has been together longer than any other core right now and has had ample/more opportunities to make the WCF. Even in New Orleans he had all-stars for teammates. If its much harder then why has virtually every other "superstar" in the West have at least played in the WCF?  Westbrook, Durant, Curry, Thompson, Harden, Leonard  and heck even underrated Mike Conley/Gasol has gotten there?  Only 1 that comes to mind who hasn't is Dame Lilliard but he really hasn't been in the league that long.so he gets a pass.

Don't you find that odd?  And the common denominator?  CP3?  Unfortunately until he gets past that hurdle, that is going to be at the top of the list in conversation.

Like they say, sometimes it is better to be lucky than good?

May 4, 2017 9:27am
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mannycoon wrote:

htownfan wrote:

Did you watch the game last night?  Did you see how unstoppable Thomas was.  He is an elite scorer.  I can guarantee you that CP3 has never had a game like that in the playoffs.  That will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff performance for this year as well as the ages......

Paul was awfully good in this game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405050OKC.html

32 points in only 28 minutes and only 14 FGA and 10 assists.  He didn't need to play more minutes, he sat out the entire 4th quarter, because the Clippers blew out a very good Thunder team.

You know I just realized this type of game probably happens quite a bit and I am pretty sure I could find  games referenced in the link more easily than the type of game Isaiah Thomas had.  I mean we can just look at yesterdays games.  Leonard had 34 on 13/16 shooting, 8rbs and 7 assists while holding Harden scoreless 0/5 on his defends .  Lebron had 39 points on 10-14 shooting and 4 assists, 6 rebound as well in 37 minutes and if you take away the 4th quarter he had 34 points on 10/14 shooting

May 4, 2017 10:01am
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htownfan wrote:

You know I just realized this type of game probably happens quite a bit and I am pretty sure I could find  games referenced in the link more easily than the type of game Isaiah Thomas had.  I mean we can just look at yesterdays games.  Leonard had 34 on 13/16 shooting, 8rbs and 7 assists while holding Harden scoreless 0/5 on his defends .  Lebron had 39 points on 10-14 shooting and 4 assists, 6 rebound as well in 37 minutes and if you take away the 4th quarter he had 34 points on 10/14 shooting

Yeah all those games were blowouts.  Really dominant performances don't usually lead to overtime thrillers, they lead to boring games that are often over well before the final whistle.  The Celtics game was way more exciting and had better narrative especially with the story about Thomas sister, it wasn't as dominant as what Leonard and Lebron did last night.

May 4, 2017 10:27am
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mannycoon wrote:

htownfan wrote:

You know I just realized this type of game probably happens quite a bit and I am pretty sure I could find  games referenced in the link more easily than the type of game Isaiah Thomas had.  I mean we can just look at yesterdays games.  Leonard had 34 on 13/16 shooting, 8rbs and 7 assists while holding Harden scoreless 0/5 on his defends .  Lebron had 39 points on 10-14 shooting and 4 assists, 6 rebound as well in 37 minutes and if you take away the 4th quarter he had 34 points on 10/14 shooting

Yeah all those games were blowouts.  Really dominant performances don't usually lead to overtime thrillers, they lead to boring games that are often over well before the final whistle.  The Celtics game was way more exciting and had better narrative especially with the story about Thomas sister, it wasn't as dominant as what Leonard and Lebron did last night.

Ok lets not get crazy, really dominant performances probably don't lead to overtime thrillers but they also don't lead to boring games more either. Probably somewhere in the middle.  My point is that the type of game Thomas had was "rare" and "special" and happens with much less frequency than the type of game you used as an example for CP3.   Jordan himself only had eight 50 pt or higher games in the playoffs.

And to top it off Thomas is only 5'9"

May 4, 2017 11:33am
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The Leonard game was more impactful to me not that the Thomas game wasn't great either. Shutting down Houston's main offensive cog while scoring that efficiently on that many attempts while still chipping in elsewhere is a performance that leads to an easy 20 point win.

 

The Thomas game was way more fun and had many more opportunities for big shots, which he was great at, but it's not like Kawhi can't come through in clutch time. It's boring dominance on both sides vs entertaining awesomeness on one end of the floor.