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#1 Jul 11, 2018 4:20pm
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Hello All

Hello All:

I'm in a particularly good mood today so I thought I'd say 'hi' to all.  I've been reading the posts and as always, find them interesting.  If anyone would like to chat today, please post away on this thread.  Thanks all, and Go Clippers!

 

Jul 11, 2018 4:24pm
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What’s ur take on us drafting of SGA and J-Rob?

Jul 11, 2018 4:31pm
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The SGA pick was awesome.  I wanted us to pick him, but I didn't think he'd be this good.  I've been watching Clipper Summer League games for at least 18 years.  I used to go to watch the Summer League in person when it was in Long Beach.  This whole talk about 'don't judge anything by a few summer league games' is BS.  Eric Gordon was very good in summer league.  DMiles was great and Bledsoe looked really good too (albeit out of control).  Blake was awesome.  I don't really recall any other Clipper player playing well in Summer League except those four.  But this guy - this guy is going to be really really good - maybe great.  As far as I'm concerned, he should be the only untouchable player on our roster.  As far as Jerome Robinson, I was really surprised at the pick and I didn't like it. I was thinking Lonnie Walker or Zhaire Smith or Robert Williams.  Then when our turn came, I was screaming 'Michael Porter Jr - this is like DJ - he's fallen into our laps!'  Even if he has to sit out a year, so what?  We have a second pick here, think long term and don't be conservative.  But I've warmed up to Robinson.  I don't hate the pick.  He could be good.  He's certainly not terrible.

Jul 11, 2018 4:33pm
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Hello CAM. Hope you're well. 

Jul 11, 2018 4:34pm
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Shai looks like that special players that can become an alpha type for years to come. J-Rob is going to be a good one as well. I feel he can be better than Cj McCollum in about a year. He has some good basketball skills. 

Jul 11, 2018 4:35pm
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I am getting better, Mistwell, thank you.  I count at least 5 teams that will be crying in their soup for having passed on SGA in the draft.

Jul 11, 2018 4:37pm
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SGA mid range shot can be like Chris Paul’s. He can finish around the rim. His outside shot will come around and his defensive skills will be off the charts. 

Jul 11, 2018 4:47pm
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I believe al Thornton was good at summer league.   In any case, a good summer league is better than a bad summer league, even if it isn’t necessarily indicative of success.

Jul 11, 2018 4:48pm
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What do you think our starting lineup will be for the regular season?

Jul 11, 2018 4:50pm
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I don't remember Al Thornton being good in summer league, but you may be right.  I thought it was ridiculous when the Clips cut him.  At one point, he was our best player for crying out loud and when Gordon joined the team, those two were very productive together.  I think he got short shrift by the team. 

I have no idea what our starting lineup will be.

Jul 11, 2018 4:59pm
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I'll check in this evening and then be back tomorrow if anyone wants to chat.  

Jul 11, 2018 5:14pm
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Do you still approve of the Gallo signing? I remember you were happy about it initially.

Jul 11, 2018 5:17pm
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How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck Doc Rivers?

Jul 11, 2018 5:30pm
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CAM I am glad to hear from you again.  How happy are you for the team removing Austin Rivers?

Jul 11, 2018 5:46pm
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Clipanswerman wrote:

 As far as Jerome Robinson, I was really surprised at the pick and I didn't like it. I was thinking Lonnie Walker or Zhaire Smith or Robert Williams.  Then when our turn came, I was screaming 'Michael Porter Jr - this is like DJ - he's fallen into our laps!'  Even if he has to sit out a year, so what?  We have a second pick here, think long term and don't be conservative.  But I've warmed up to Robinson.  I don't hate the pick.  He could be good.  He's certainly not terrible.

Pretty much exactly how I felt about the pick.  Initially was willing to gamble on MPJ, then I was like why this guy over some of these other guys, finally I took a good hard look at him and realized he was pretty good. A few of us went through several levels of grief with this pick.  Anger, bargaining, acceptance. 

Jul 11, 2018 5:52pm
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Dyce wrote:

Clipanswerman wrote:

 As far as Jerome Robinson, I was really surprised at the pick and I didn't like it. I was thinking Lonnie Walker or Zhaire Smith or Robert Williams.  Then when our turn came, I was screaming 'Michael Porter Jr - this is like DJ - he's fallen into our laps!'  Even if he has to sit out a year, so what?  We have a second pick here, think long term and don't be conservative.  But I've warmed up to Robinson.  I don't hate the pick.  He could be good.  He's certainly not terrible.

Pretty much exactly how I felt about the pick.  Initially was willing to gamble on MPJ, then I was like why this guy over some of these other guys, finally I took a good hard look at him and realized he was pretty good. A few of us went through several levels of grief with this pick.  Anger, bargaining, acceptance. 

I agree with you here Dyce. I was angry and confused initially. But after a day or so, my emotions settled and I started thinking rationally. I think we'll be just alright with these two picks. 

Jul 11, 2018 6:31pm
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I still wish we chose porter.  Even hearing the tales of how clippers scouts unanimously and independently chose Jerome, it feels like Jerome should be further ahead since he’s older.   

Jul 11, 2018 7:11pm
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Yes I still approve of the Gallo signing.  We'll see what happens.

A smart woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood to get rid of Doc Rivers.  It is astounding how much he has hurt the Clippers.  Just astounding.  He was not only the worst GM in the league, but he has to be considered for worst GM of all time.  I think only Billy King beats him in that category.  The offseason moves the last two years have been so far superior, demonstrating such greater vision and awareness of so many things on so many levels, that you can see it a mile away.  He was a disaster.  It irks me when people blame CP or Blake or even DJ for the Clippers not advancing more.  The number one culprit was Doc's horrific GMing.  We simply had no depth during those years.  We gave away three first round picks for - wait for it - to rent Jeff Green (who was bad, mediocre at best); to get rid of Jared Dudley (not to keep him, to get rid of him) who was a disaster and for Doc himself (who destroyed the team.  For that alone he should have been expelled and expunged from the organization forever.

I was absolutely ecstatic that the Clips got rid of Austin on so many levels I can't describe it, but I'll try.  He is the classic case of a player who can look good in highlights but is not good if you watch the team on a daily basis.  He causes more four and five point turnarounds - by far - than any player I have ever seen.  He cannot see the floor; his free throw shooting is horrific and he is very soft on D.  He never rebounds.  His teammates can't stand him.  Other teams can't stand him.  He was born on third base - which is fine - but he thinks he hit a triple.  And the coach never ever made a decision without considering how it affected Austin.  Yes, he improved his game.  He's now a decent 6th man.  But the toll on the team on a daily basis his first two years was astronomical.  I will say this:  On the day we acquired him, I said it would be a disaster not only on the court, but for nepotism reasons.  From day one, I wanted him off the team.  (I am not the poster who was nasty and sarcastic toward anyone who said nepotism was involved and then totally switched their mind on that two years later and never noted or admitted their turnaround.) I had this right from day one.  Now cue the one or two quotes from the early 2000's.

Jul 11, 2018 7:44pm
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Good to see you back to posting Clipanswerman.

Jul 11, 2018 8:36pm
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Only for today and tomorrow and then back off.  I find that if I stay posting on a site where the majority of posters are angry if you criticize the team - or the management - it's not worth it to get sucked in.  Then, if time proves you were right, they get angrier.   

Jul 11, 2018 9:28pm
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Clipanswerman wrote:

Yes I still approve of the Gallo signing.  We'll see what happens.

A smart woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood to get rid of Doc Rivers.  It is astounding how much he has hurt the Clippers.  Just astounding.  He was not only the worst GM in the league, but he has to be considered for worst GM of all time.  I think only Billy King beats him in that category.  The offseason moves the last two years have been so far superior, demonstrating such greater vision and awareness of so many things on so many levels, that you can see it a mile away.  He was a disaster.  It irks me when people blame CP or Blake or even DJ for the Clippers not advancing more.  The number one culprit was Doc's horrific GMing.  We simply had no depth during those years.  We gave away three first round picks for - wait for it - to rent Jeff Green (who was bad, mediocre at best); to get rid of Jared Dudley (not to keep him, to get rid of him) who was a disaster and for Doc himself (who destroyed the team.  For that alone he should have been expelled and expunged from the organization forever.

I was absolutely ecstatic that the Clips got rid of Austin on so many levels I can't describe it, but I'll try.  He is the classic case of a player who can look good in highlights but is not good if you watch the team on a daily basis.  He causes more four and five point turnarounds - by far - than any player I have ever seen.  He cannot see the floor; his free throw shooting is horrific and he is very soft on D.  He never rebounds.  His teammates can't stand him.  Other teams can't stand him.  He was born on third base - which is fine - but he thinks he hit a triple.  And the coach never ever made a decision without considering how it affected Austin.  Yes, he improved his game.  He's now a decent 6th man.  But the toll on the team on a daily basis his first two years was astronomical.  I will say this:  On the day we acquired him, I said it would be a disaster not only on the court, but for nepotism reasons.  From day one, I wanted him off the team.  (I am not the poster who was nasty and sarcastic toward anyone who said nepotism was involved and then totally switched their mind on that two years later and never noted or admitted their turnaround.) I had this right from day one.  Now cue the one or two quotes from the early 2000's.

 

Post of the year right here. Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree whole-heartedly that it was baffling and horrific at what Doc did to the roster and how he wasted Blake, CP3, and DJ's prime years as players

Jul 11, 2018 9:51pm
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pro100 wrote:

Clipanswerman wrote:

Yes I still approve of the Gallo signing.  We'll see what happens.

A smart woodchuck would chuck a lot of wood to get rid of Doc Rivers.  It is astounding how much he has hurt the Clippers.  Just astounding.  He was not only the worst GM in the league, but he has to be considered for worst GM of all time.  I think only Billy King beats him in that category.  The offseason moves the last two years have been so far superior, demonstrating such greater vision and awareness of so many things on so many levels, that you can see it a mile away.  He was a disaster.  It irks me when people blame CP or Blake or even DJ for the Clippers not advancing more.  The number one culprit was Doc's horrific GMing.  We simply had no depth during those years.  We gave away three first round picks for - wait for it - to rent Jeff Green (who was bad, mediocre at best); to get rid of Jared Dudley (not to keep him, to get rid of him) who was a disaster and for Doc himself (who destroyed the team.  For that alone he should have been expelled and expunged from the organization forever.

I was absolutely ecstatic that the Clips got rid of Austin on so many levels I can't describe it, but I'll try.  He is the classic case of a player who can look good in highlights but is not good if you watch the team on a daily basis.  He causes more four and five point turnarounds - by far - than any player I have ever seen.  He cannot see the floor; his free throw shooting is horrific and he is very soft on D.  He never rebounds.  His teammates can't stand him.  Other teams can't stand him.  He was born on third base - which is fine - but he thinks he hit a triple.  And the coach never ever made a decision without considering how it affected Austin.  Yes, he improved his game.  He's now a decent 6th man.  But the toll on the team on a daily basis his first two years was astronomical.  I will say this:  On the day we acquired him, I said it would be a disaster not only on the court, but for nepotism reasons.  From day one, I wanted him off the team.  (I am not the poster who was nasty and sarcastic toward anyone who said nepotism was involved and then totally switched their mind on that two years later and never noted or admitted their turnaround.) I had this right from day one.  Now cue the one or two quotes from the early 2000's.

 

Post of the year right here. Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree whole-heartedly that it was baffling and horrific at what Doc did to the roster and how he wasted Blake, CP3, and DJ's prime years as players

I don't know if you guys recall Doc indirectly blaming Neil Olshey. I remember him saying the Clippers had no good assets to work with. Then he started trading first round picks, Eric Bledsoe and signing wastemen. 

Jul 11, 2018 11:12pm
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So do you still think the blake trade is one of the worst ever? what about whether or not we got an impactful player with the detroit pick?

Jul 12, 2018 7:06am
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I remember Doc blaming Olshey and Sacks after the Houston chokejob vividly. It was nauseating then and even more nauseating now in hindsight, knowing how terrible Doc was as a GM.

Jul 12, 2018 7:51am
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I think we all are in agreement that Doc was a terrible GM so we don't need to debate that anymore.

Jul 12, 2018 8:39am
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I will go on record as saying that Jerome Robinson probably will suck as a player.  He lacks athleticism, can't finish around the rim, does not rebound, and probably will be a very slow and poor defensive player.  I want our guards dunking the freaking ball like a Corey Maggette and attacking the boards to get rebounds.  And ball hawking to get steals and easy transition baskets.  Especially in summer league when the competition is less and the games don't count.  I have seen none of that from Jerome.  He is soft like CJ Williams and that is not the kind of player we need on this team.  Right now I would be happier to get Wallace back then to give this guy minutes.  But I hope I am wrong about him since I am going by such a small sample size.

Jul 12, 2018 8:56am
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^disagree. J-Rob is gonna be a good player.. his skills are off the chart. 

Jul 12, 2018 9:09am
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Clipanswerman wrote:

From day one, I wanted him off the team.  (I am not the poster who was nasty and sarcastic toward anyone who said nepotism was involved and then totally switched their mind on that two years later and never noted or admitted their turnaround.) I had this right from day one.  

 

I wonder which poster here he is talking about ;-)

Jul 12, 2018 10:19am
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Good morning Babyradar01, I hope all is well.

I’m going to answer several questions here:

-Is the Blake trade a success or a failure?
-Did we get an impactful player with the Detroit pick?
-Do I still think it was one of the worst trades ever?

Jul 12, 2018 10:20am
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The answer to the first question – Is the Blake trade a success or a failure? – is obvious.  It’s way too early to tell.

First, if you’ll all allow me to digress for a moment.  In order to tell if a trade – or any debate on a sports message board - is a success or a failure/right/wrong, you really can only determine it after all of the elements of the trade/issue are ‘done’.  So for example, to summarize the very long, tedious, boring, yet somehow interesting, debates I had with the bully of this board each of which lasted months if not years and each of which helped me come to the realization that spending serious time in this quagmire was not a good use of my time:

-Is Donald Sterling cheap (my opinion) or not (Bully)?  We now can now all agree, that I was right.  In comparison to Ballmer who will spend on anything and who has completely changed the acquisition mentality of this team, and in comparison to other teams who always had a higher payroll than us during Sterling’s tenure as owner – clearly I was right.

- Was the Zach Randolph trade for Q. Rich allowing us to clear cap space, subsequently used on Randy Foye, Brian Cook and, wait for it, Ryan Gomes, bad (me) or good (Bully)?  - Clearly time has shown I was right.

- Should the Clippers keep DJ (me) or Kaman (Bully) and were the Clippers right to match DJ’s first free agent contract, when he was signed by Golden State (me) or absolutely should not if it was over $7m per year?  - Clearly time has shown me right.

- Was Austin Rivers show favoritism that was highly detrimental to the team both on the court and off by his father/coach (me on my blog) or was that complete BS meriting sarcasm and nastiness to all posters who dared voice that opinion?  - Clearly time has shown me right.

So, my track record vs the poster on this board on all issues of long-standing debate, who offers Trump-like responses:  tantrums, snap assessments that inevitably are wrong, a refusal to acknowledge an error, combined with a doubling down on the now clearly demonstrated wrong argument, thin-skinned nastiness, a perversion of the other side’s argument,  and self-vindication through claims of ‘fake news’, i.e. facts that simply are not true, combined with unoriginal name calling is, at the very least, something that should be taken into account.

Jul 12, 2018 10:21am
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Ok, now about the Blake trade.

Blake signed a 5 year agreement.

How did the first year work out?  Answer, it clearly wasn’t a success.  The Clippers finished the year with an average record.  This can’t, of course, all be attributed to the Blake trade.  We had lost CP too.  But, this trade was made after the CP trade.  In my opinion, based on last year – and I really like Tobias, Boban, and Avery Bradley – it did not result in any tangible improvement.  The same can be said for Detroit, by the way.  (Although Blake played with Gallo and Beverly injured for us and with Reggie Jackson injured in Detroit).  In any case, I don’t think last year one can really argue that the trade was a success.  And I don’t think that convincingly it can be argued that it was a failure either.  It also had no impact on our salary payments for the year, not that that matters to us or Steve Ballmer.

How about this year?  My guess is that the Clippers won’t make the playoffs this year, despite the presence of the players they acquired in the trade.  Detroit very well may, but does that mean much in the East?  I guess we’ll have to see how Blake performs in the playoffs.  But my guess is, the trade won’t be a ‘success’ this year either.  And the salary payments in year two (Blake, Willie Reed, Brice Johnson vs. Tobias, Boban, Avery and draft pick) are about equal.

At the time of the trade, I was puzzled.  Are the Clips trying to win now?  Are they rebuilding?  They have stated that they are ‘re-tooling’ and I buy that with this owner, I buy it by the moves they’ve made and I like the attempt as a fan.   So let’s look at year three, next summer.
 

Jul 12, 2018 10:21am
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It’s clear the Clips are clearing space so they can sign two max free agents.  That’s a good strategy, although the competition for top free agents will be fierce next year, because many teams will have cap space.  So how do we differ next summer with the trade vs. without the trade?

Without Blake
Gallo - $22.6m
Lou - $8m
SGA - $4m
Jerome Robinson - $3.5m
Draft Pick – around $4m

TOTAL = $38.1 with salary cap expected to be $108 m, giving Clips $70m.  That will give the Clips room for two max players plus 6 new players who will be a combination of vets min., 2nd round picks, and two way players.

 

With Blake
Gallo - $22.6m
Lou - $8m
SGA - $4m
Blake Griffin - $34m
Draft Pick – around $4m

TOTAL = $72 m, with salary cap expected to be $108 m, giving Clips $36m.  That will give the Clips room for one max player plus 6 new players who will be a combination of vets mins, 2nd round picks and two-way players.

In essence, the difference is two max players and Jerome Robinson vs. Blake and one max player.

Before I get to the next point, let’s address why I replaced Jerome Robinson instead of SGA.

Jul 12, 2018 10:22am
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I understand that technically, the Clippers used their 12th pick (the pick obtained by Detroit) and not their own 13th pick to select SGA.  Because the Clips selected SGA, and because they were a little nervous and traded two seconds for the right to move up to 11 to draft him, I think it’s clear that if the Clippers had one pick in this draft, they would have selected SGA instead of Robinson.  So, had the Clips had kept Blake, I think it’s pretty clear that they would have him and SGA, not him and Robinson.  I understand that the books will show that the Clips got SGA from Charlotte in a trade and that they traded the pick that they got from Detroit to allow them to do that.  But the reality is that the trade with Blake allowed them to get a second pick and it was with the second pick that they selected Robinson and had they only had one pick – whether it was 12 or 13 – they wanted SGA as their priority and they were willing to sacrifice several second round picks – and we don’t know, perhaps more to get SGA.  I’m well aware that bully poster will spend years screaming ‘fake news’, calling names and using other similar Trump-Bully communications to discredit anyone who provides an argument that requires actual thinking, actual logic and anything that disputes him or makes him look bad.  So be it.

So, the question comes down to this:  Would we rather have 31 year old Blake and a max slot or Two max slots and Jerome Robinson next summer?  Will we be able to sign two max players?  If we do, will both of them be better than Blake?  If we sign Durant and Kawhi Leonard with those two slots, then it will most likely be a successful trade.  But what if we don’t?  What if we only sign one?  Would you rather have Kawhi and SGA and Robinson and one or two decent players or Kawhi and SGA and Blake and vets mins?  And what if the max player we get is not Kawhi but Jimmy Butler?  And he’s the only one we get?  In short, we don’t know if this will work – we’ll have to see.

But we do know this.  The player who turned this franchise around.  The guy who came to this team and made this team proud.  The guy who is the funniest and most likeable player off the court, the guy who gave his all every single game, every single play, and who had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and the guy who adapted his game to accommodate BS rules that provided no disincentive to hack at him and possibly injure him at his greatest strength – was told that if he signed, he’d have his jersey in the rafters and proclaimed after signing  that he wanted to be a Clipper for life – was traded.  For a chance to get a second max player who’s better than him.  In two years.

Blake’s game will depreciate as he ages, for sure while his contract will increase.  So will Jimmy Butler’s.  So we’ll see.

Jul 12, 2018 10:22am
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Do I still think it was one of the worst trades ever?  No I don’t.  Tobias is a nice player.  Boban is a great player who unfortunately, our simple-minded coach can’t see that he changes the game when he plays and Bradley is, I think, a nice player.  Robinson, we’ll see.  It’s not like the Zach Randolph trade where the Clips go absolutely nothing for him.  But the winners in this league – for the most part – have superstars surrounded by good gets by the GM.  The trade has not provided that to us yet.  But it may.  What makes this a little different, is that Blake is not Zach.  He was a special player for this organization.  While it’s a business and you do what you can to make a trade, there are some times when the value of a particular player to a particular player is a little greater than the market value of that player.  My gut reaction to moves is almost always right though.  But I hope I’m completely wrong on this one.  The GM management of our team has been good since West/Frank replaced Doc.  (I’m anxious to see what happens with Milos and Montrezl.  If we lose Montrezl, I’ll be royally pissed.) 

Jul 12, 2018 11:24am
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Clipanswerman wrote:

I understand that technically, the Clippers used their 12th pick (the pick obtained by Detroit) and not their own 13th pick to select SGA.  Because the Clips selected SGA, and because they were a little nervous and traded two seconds for the right to move up to 11 to draft him, I think it’s clear that if the Clippers had one pick in this draft, they would have selected SGA instead of Robinson.  So, had the Clips had kept Blake, I think it’s pretty clear that they would have him and SGA, not him and Robinson.  

Two problems with this line of thinking.

1. It's been reported that Robinson was West's favorite guy they worked out.  It's not a given that we would have drafted SGA over Robinson if we only had one pick.  It just so happened  that we did have two picks and they wanted both guys and there were rumors that other teams wanted to trade up for SGA.  So they had to make a trade to secure both players they wanted.

2. Big reason why Charlotte agreed to the trade was because their guy Miles Bridges would be selected with the very next pick.  Charlotte doesn't trade 11 for 13 and risk the chance of their guy going 12th.  

Jul 12, 2018 11:27am
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Clipanswerman wrote:

The answer to the first question – Is the Blake trade a success or a failure? – is obvious.  It’s way too early to tell.

First, if you’ll all allow me to digress for a moment.  In order to tell if a trade – or any debate on a sports message board - is a success or a failure/right/wrong, you really can only determine it after all of the elements of the trade/issue are ‘done’.  So for example, to summarize the very long, tedious, boring, yet somehow interesting, debates I had with the bully of this board each of which lasted months if not years and each of which helped me come to the realization that spending serious time in this quagmire was not a good use of my time:

-Is Donald Sterling cheap (my opinion) or not (Bully)?  We now can now all agree, that I was right.  In comparison to Ballmer who will spend on anything and who has completely changed the acquisition mentality of this team, and in comparison to other teams who always had a higher payroll than us during Sterling’s tenure as owner – clearly I was right.

- Was the Zach Randolph trade for Q. Rich allowing us to clear cap space, subsequently used on Randy Foye, Brian Cook and, wait for it, Ryan Gomes, bad (me) or good (Bully)?  - Clearly time has shown I was right.

- Should the Clippers keep DJ (me) or Kaman (Bully) and were the Clippers right to match DJ’s first free agent contract, when he was signed by Golden State (me) or absolutely should not if it was over $7m per year?  - Clearly time has shown me right.

- Was Austin Rivers show favoritism that was highly detrimental to the team both on the court and off by his father/coach (me on my blog) or was that complete BS meriting sarcasm and nastiness to all posters who dared voice that opinion?  - Clearly time has shown me right.

So, my track record vs the poster on this board on all issues of long-standing debate, who offers Trump-like responses:  tantrums, snap assessments that inevitably are wrong, a refusal to acknowledge an error, combined with a doubling down on the now clearly demonstrated wrong argument, thin-skinned nastiness, a perversion of the other side’s argument,  and self-vindication through claims of ‘fake news’, i.e. facts that simply are not true, combined with unoriginal name calling is, at the very least, something that should be taken into account.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but you clearly came here to start up an old feud. NO ONE can win an argument on the internet. It is best to just move on to another topic.

Jul 12, 2018 11:30am
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Yup, the "I was right" comment.  You didn't know that everybody is right on this board? 

Jul 12, 2018 11:46am
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Blake Griffin got injured which cost us the Portland playoff series then he got injured again and cost us the Jazz playoff series.  Then we paid him the max and every Clipper found out that he could never be a top banana scorer or winner in this league because at the end of games he could never get off a shot against the defense that had more than a 20% chance of going in.  Fans were glad to get rid of him because he was nothing but a disappointment his last three years here.  So whatever the technical details are of this trade and how it turns out it was still a good deal just to get rid of him and his max contract which was only given to him because his reputation as an All Star not based on his current performance.

Sterling did spend the money for the training center.  He did get us Doc Rivers who was one of the highest paid coaches.  He did get us Chris Paul as a free agent.  And he did come up with the money to resign DJ.  So yes he became a better owner as his team revenues went up.  He is no Steve Ballmer but who is?  The thing that really sucked about him was that he was a racist.  Great to get rid of him but the lack of spending to make us a contender is inaccurate.  Our best team was six years ago with Sterling.

And yes dumping Zach to get Blake Griffin more minutes as a rookie was a smart move.  It just did not work out like we thought it would.

Jul 12, 2018 11:45am
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Clipanswerman wrote:

Now cue the one or two quotes from the early 2000's.

I need me some LOsMyGuy

Jul 12, 2018 11:46am
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I don't know how to copy and reply, so bear with me.

---Yup, the "I was right" comment.  You didn't know that everybody is right on this board? 

Ha.  That's a great point!

 

 

---I don't have a dog in this fight, but you clearly came here to start up an old feud. NO ONE can win an argument on the internet. It is best to just move on to another topic.

No I did not come here to start an old feud.  You are correct no one can win an argument on the internet - or in person, actually.  Yes, it's best to move on to another topic.  I agree that if you wrestle in the mud with a pig you get dirty.  And I agree that to behave like the Obamas - all class, all the time, is the way to go.  But I'm not as good a person as the Obamas.  And while I will not pick a fight for the sake of it - and while I will no longer ever call someone a name willy-nilly .... after watching Trump these past two years - I do have a major major problem with bullies.  And I will call them out for it.  But I won't belabor it here.

 

Jul 12, 2018 11:48am
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Clipanswerman wrote:

Only for today and tomorrow and then back off.  I find that if I stay posting on a site where the majority of posters are angry if you criticize the team - or the management - it's not worth it to get sucked in.  Then, if time proves you were right, they get angrier.   

 

That's not how I see this site.

 

There are plenty of people who criticize the team.

 

There are people like me who criticize Ballmer.  One reason is that he's kept Rivers Sr. for so long, and even extended him again.  

 

There were people critical of Rivers Jr.

Jul 12, 2018 11:49am
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Dyce, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the draft pick thing.  I don't think moving from 12 to 11 is all that different from moving from 13 to 11 and they would have, and could have done it either way.  And I believe the reports that West like Robinson don't mean that West liked SGA more than Robinson.  I'm reasonably sure he did, but there had to be some sort of explanation for why the Clips would pick someone at 13 who was regarded by just about every draft expert as someone who would not go that high.

Jul 12, 2018 11:51am
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*meant liked Robinson more than SGA.

Jul 12, 2018 11:54am
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Clippers 1121 - your comments about your disappointment with Blake don't address what the Clippers got in return nor do they address my point about two max players.  Your comments about Sterling's spending were addressed in detail and in specific so many times by me over the years, that I'm not going to bother repeating them, but if you believe Sterling wasn't a cheap owner, that's fine.  But I'll give you a hint to jog your memory.  C.B.A.

Jul 12, 2018 11:59am
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This line kills me:  "And yes dumping Zach to get Blake Griffin more minutes as a rookie was a smart move.  It just did not work out like we thought it would."

Isn't that the very definition then of a bad move?  Every deal has a motive initially that is perceived as 'smart'.  The trick is that it has to actually end up being smart.  If it didn't then by definition (barring a major unforseen injury) it wasn't so smart.

Jul 12, 2018 12:34pm
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CAM: Who would you dump of this group: Milos, Dekker, Thornwell, Evans, CJ Williams, Wallace

Jul 12, 2018 12:43pm
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I don't think anyone could say for sure if we would have still ended up with SGA if not for the 2nd pick we had or not. Would CHA have risked losing Bridges to whoever had the 12th pick? GM's try not to get too cute in that situation, they had another offer for that pick from Phoenix so we know they wouldn't have gone too far down. But maybe if they had another guy they liked equally (Porter?) they may have. I just don't think we can say for sure on that one. I will say that I think we wanted SGA all along and made a promise to him. I heard that he didn't really work out for other teams because he wanted to be here as his top choice as well, but there was absolutely still interest from other teams.

 

For the sake of the Blake trade you have to put SGA as the other piece because of the uncertainty. Either way, I was a Blake fan but I don't see how the trade isn't a complete success. We weren't contending either way, this allows us to do so many other things rather than be locked into low playoff seeds. Even regardless of who we picked, the process was right as a pure basketball move.

Jul 12, 2018 12:49pm
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Hitnrun24 - Fair enough and good analysis.  You may be right, but I don't put SGA in as the other piece.  Even if it's 'uncertain', then, well, it's uncertain at best.

Jul 12, 2018 12:50pm
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--CAM: Who would you dump of this group: Milos, Dekker, Thornwell, Evans, CJ Williams, Wallace

1) Juwan Evans 
2) Thornwell
3) CJ Williams

Jul 12, 2018 1:02pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

I will go on record as saying that Jerome Robinson probably will suck as a player.  He lacks athleticism, can't finish around the rim, does not rebound, and probably will be a very slow and poor defensive player.  I want our guards dunking the freaking ball like a Corey Maggette and attacking the boards to get rebounds.  And ball hawking to get steals and easy transition baskets.  Especially in summer league when the competition is less and the games don't count.  I have seen none of that from Jerome.  He is soft like CJ Williams and that is not the kind of player we need on this team.  Right now I would be happier to get Wallace back then to give this guy minutes.  But I hope I am wrong about him since I am going by such a small sample size.

 

Wow.. hyperbole much I see. He'll be a sucky player automatically huh? Did you not watch the last SL game against DC?? Lets not compare him to Shai who has the ball in his hands at all times. Jerome is going to be a stud. He's got a good feel for the game, plays within the offense, uptempo guy, good passer, etc. He's a caterpillar right now, he'll be unleashed and spread his wings come November/December of the season. 

Jul 12, 2018 1:31pm
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Funniest clipper ...probably DJ?  Hardest working?  Probably DJ.   Turned franchise around?  Cp3 or DJ.   Most liked off court?  Cp3 or DJ.  I guess Blake makes good commercials though.