Free Agency for Montrezl Harrell

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#1 Mar 19, 2018 8:09am
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Free Agency for Montrezl Harrell

Will he be a unrestricted free agent? What kind of money will he command?  We have to resign this guy. Hopefully the Clippers new head coach will give him more playing time.

Mar 19, 2018 8:52am
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I'm not sure why Doc doesn't play this guy more. 

20mins vs Por     

16mins vs OKc

13mins vs Hou

11mins vs Chi

14mins vs Orl

Mar 19, 2018 10:02am
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Yeah will be interesting to see his market since he is an RFA, we gotta keep him................he is a winning player. Love that guy.

Mar 19, 2018 10:05am
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Pay this man!!! 

Mar 19, 2018 10:05am
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Pay this man!!! 

Mar 19, 2018 10:18am
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ClipsAhoy wrote:

I'm not sure why Doc doesn't play this guy more. 

20mins vs Por     

16mins vs OKc

13mins vs Hou

11mins vs Chi

14mins vs Orl

The only minutes Doc cares about is Austin's minutes.

Mar 19, 2018 10:20am
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Is he an RFA? If so, that's good. Match on him. He's our PF of the future. If we can keep DJ, that would be nice as well. DJ, Harrell, and Harris make for an excellent set of bigs for this team. Williams is a fine SG as well. Milos and Beverley is good set of PGs. It's a good team when healthy. 

Mar 19, 2018 10:23am
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DJ is far from "excellent." Nowadays, he just pads his rebounds so it looks like he tried, while getting torched by any remotely talented center. He can't guard jump-shooting bigs in a league full of jump-shooting bigs. He's never had an offensive game beyond being spoonfed by others. The sooner he's traded or he opts out, the better.

Mar 19, 2018 10:25am
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He's unrestricted.   It'll be interesting to see what happens with him in free agency. 

He's a 2nd unit player, but:

His scoring and rebound rates are higher than Blake Griffin's.

His "" and "" are about the same as Lamarcus Aldridge.

His FG%  is far better than the above players, and 3rd in the league.

 

Players tend to get payed more on points per game, then rebs per game, and if you are perceived as starter material.  It seems to help a lot if you are an inefficient outside shooter.

I think he could be a starter, if he's on a team with a lot of outside shooting. I don't subscribe to the current notional fad that you need 4 outside shooters on a team like GSW. The Clippers probably would not start him with DJ (if they have DJ), and probably would not want to offer him more than reserve salary. If the Clips lose DJ they will want to make a serious offer to keep Montrezl.

He's a 10 pt, 4 reb guy per game this year.

He's somewhat in the performance range of James Johnson ($13M), Marvin Williams ($13M), Thad Young ($13M), Aminu ($7M), etc., so those are some metrics.

If teams perceive him as only a bench guy who could fill in at starter if necessary, he might get offers in the $8M/year, 3-year range.  Maybe he'll get $10M. 

If the Clips lose DJ and keep Montrezl as a starting small center at $13M/year, that might not be a turrible outcome. Especially if they make some other good moves like getting a real NBA SG.

Mar 19, 2018 11:07am
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JGlanton wrote:

He's unrestricted.

I just looked it up, and it does look like he's a Restricted free agent and not Unrestricted. Do you have a different source?

I also think he's best used at PF rather than C. 

Mar 19, 2018 11:15am
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He is a restricted free agent. We can match whatever offer he gets.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/los-angeles-clippers-team-salary/

Hopefully we can just work out a fair extension with him and it doesn't need to get to the "matching" stage.

Mar 19, 2018 12:36pm
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I think he can be retained for around 7m/year in this current market where there isn't a ton of money to go around and obviously we should do that. He's an excellent player, but his skill set isn't that valued right now. He is top notch in his role though and coming off the bench I think he is one of the best in the league in that role. I would be fine with him as a starter, but don't like it quite as much especially with DJ.

Mar 19, 2018 4:19pm
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trapp76 wrote:

He is a restricted free agent. We can match whatever offer he gets.

Awesome!

Mar 19, 2018 7:19pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

I think he can be retained for around 7m/year in this current market where there isn't a ton of money to go around and obviously we should do that. He's an excellent player, but his skill set isn't that valued right now. He is top notch in his role though and coming off the bench I think he is one of the best in the league in that role. I would be fine with him as a starter, but don't like it quite as much especially with DJ.

7 million a year for Montrez would be awesome. It might be possible. Jerry West did manage to get Lou Williams at a bargain price like that so it is possible.
Mar 19, 2018 7:22pm
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JGlanton wrote:

He's unrestricted.   It'll be interesting to see what happens with him in free agency. 

He's a 2nd unit player, but:

His scoring and rebound rates are higher than Blake Griffin's.

His "" and "" are about the same as Lamarcus Aldridge.

His FG%  is far better than the above players, and 3rd in the league.

 

Players tend to get payed more on points per game, then rebs per game, and if you are perceived as starter material.  It seems to help a lot if you are an inefficient outside shooter.

I think he could be a starter, if he's on a team with a lot of outside shooting. I don't subscribe to the current notional fad that you need 4 outside shooters on a team like GSW. The Clippers probably would not start him with DJ (if they have DJ), and probably would not want to offer him more than reserve salary. If the Clips lose DJ they will want to make a serious offer to keep Montrezl.

He's a 10 pt, 4 reb guy per game this year.

He's somewhat in the performance range of James Johnson ($13M), Marvin Williams ($13M), Thad Young ($13M), Aminu ($7M), etc., so those are some metrics.

If teams perceive him as only a bench guy who could fill in at starter if necessary, he might get offers in the $8M/year, 3-year range.  Maybe he'll get $10M. 

If the Clips lose DJ and keep Montrezl as a starting small center at $13M/year, that might not be a turrible outcome. Especially if they make some other good moves like getting a real NBA SG.

West doesn't seem to eager to sign DJ at a high rate. My guess is that if DJ doesn't give us a discount, we may let him walk.
Mar 19, 2018 7:30pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Is he an RFA? If so, that's good. Match on him. He's our PF of the future. If we can keep DJ, that would be nice as well. DJ, Harrell, and Harris make for an excellent set of bigs for this team. Williams is a fine SG as well. Milos and Beverley is good set of PGs. It's a good team when healthy. 

yeah key emphasis on the word healthy. I love Beverley, but the front office needs to plan the building of this new team with the fact that he will be often injured
Mar 20, 2018 9:42am
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pageC4 wrote:
JGlanton wrote:

He's unrestricted.   It'll be interesting to see what happens with him in free agency. 

He's a 2nd unit player, but:

His scoring and rebound rates are higher than Blake Griffin's.

His "" and "" are about the same as Lamarcus Aldridge.

His FG%  is far better than the above players, and 3rd in the league.

 

Players tend to get payed more on points per game, then rebs per game, and if you are perceived as starter material.  It seems to help a lot if you are an inefficient outside shooter.

I think he could be a starter, if he's on a team with a lot of outside shooting. I don't subscribe to the current notional fad that you need 4 outside shooters on a team like GSW. The Clippers probably would not start him with DJ (if they have DJ), and probably would not want to offer him more than reserve salary. If the Clips lose DJ they will want to make a serious offer to keep Montrezl.

He's a 10 pt, 4 reb guy per game this year.

He's somewhat in the performance range of James Johnson ($13M), Marvin Williams ($13M), Thad Young ($13M), Aminu ($7M), etc., so those are some metrics.

If teams perceive him as only a bench guy who could fill in at starter if necessary, he might get offers in the $8M/year, 3-year range.  Maybe he'll get $10M. 

If the Clips lose DJ and keep Montrezl as a starting small center at $13M/year, that might not be a turrible outcome. Especially if they make some other good moves like getting a real NBA SG.

West doesn't seem to eager to sign DJ at a high rate. My guess is that if DJ doesn't give us a discount, we may let him walk.

I don't know. We gave Blake a max deal knowing he wasn't worth it, just to make sure we could hold onto him and trade him later. 

We may do the same thing with DJ. Depends on if the front office thinks we can trade him on a max deal and get assets back like we did with CP and Blake.