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#1 May 27, 2018 9:02am
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Boban

What is his role on the team next year? He will make $9 million and he dominates games when he plays, but his minutes are the level of Sam Dekker during garbage time.

I like Boban and think he shoud get more minutes but the scouting report is he has no lateral movement and can't play defense.

May 27, 2018 9:54am
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He probably won't play more unless there's a coaching change.

 

I do think his defense is ok when he plays.

May 27, 2018 11:07am
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A 30 PER player should be part of the rotation rather than a garbage time player.

May 27, 2018 5:20pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

A 30 PER player should be part of the rotation rather than a garbage time player.

I agree. He did seem to start to become part of the rotation at season’s end and I would hope that his minutes continue to increase next year.
May 27, 2018 7:38pm
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Three different NBA coaches have concluded the identical thing about Boban. It's really just him, and the modern NBA

May 27, 2018 7:45pm
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I didn't finish reading the article, but I saw Barkley's name as one of the most efficient players.

 

I guess I only knew him as the Suns/Rockets Barkley.

 

Looking at his stats, he was way more efficient in Philly.

 

Too bad I missed out on the Seventy Sixers Barkley.

May 27, 2018 7:45pm
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Also, I still haven't made my post about "modern offenses".

May 27, 2018 8:06pm
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(wrong thread)

May 28, 2018 2:44pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Three different NBA coaches have concluded the identical thing about Boban. It's really just him, and the modern NBA

 

Boban would have some trouble no doubt playing in this Rockets/Warriors series, but I think at least in the regular season he could consistently give you two halves of 6-8 good minutes so I'm not sure why he hasn't been given that.

May 28, 2018 2:57pm
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Unfortunately, you can only really use Boban as a "secret weapon". He can't run the floor well during extended time. You basically have to surprise a team kind of like that Boban game in Denver. I sat 3 rows behind the Nuggets bench that game and it looked like a group of children trying to stop a grown adult from scoring a basket.

May 28, 2018 3:34pm
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Not saying Boban is close to this level, but that's what Gobert looked like in 2013 too.

May 28, 2018 9:08pm
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Boban is legit. Give him the time he deserves and he’ll prove the naysayers wrong. He’s just fine as is.
May 28, 2018 10:00pm
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Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

May 28, 2018 10:13pm
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Dude didn't see much time under Pop so I don't think it's Doc's fault that he doesn't play much. He is effective in short spurts(Denver game being the best example). The NBA is faster and more perimeter oriented. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

May 29, 2018 11:56am
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VFHS wrote:

Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

And the excuse when Stan Van Gundy was his coach?

And the excuse when Gregg Popovich was his coach?

Hell, before he got to the NBA he lost his spot on CSKA's senior men's first team.

Really, of all the coaches he's ever had, ONLY the Serbian coaches ever played him bigger minutes. Every single other coach he's ever had, and it's been many at this point, did the same thing Doc Rivers is doing with him. 

May 29, 2018 12:21pm
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He can play 6 minutes a half in the regular season. These coaches might have to work a little harder to fit him in the rotation, but it's worth doing with his level of production.

May 29, 2018 12:55pm
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

And the excuse when Stan Van Gundy was his coach?

And the excuse when Gregg Popovich was his coach?

Hell, before he got to the NBA he lost his spot on CSKA's senior men's first team.

Really, of all the coaches he's ever had, ONLY the Serbian coaches ever played him bigger minutes. Every single other coach he's ever had, and it's been many at this point, did the same thing Doc Rivers is doing with him. 

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May 29, 2018 3:18pm
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Once Dj is traded this summer, I’d play Boban to start the first 6 minutes of the game and the last 4 mins of the half. And depending on the flow of the game, u see how much to play him in 2nd half.
May 29, 2018 5:36pm
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

And the excuse when Stan Van Gundy was his coach?

And the excuse when Gregg Popovich was his coach?

Hell, before he got to the NBA he lost his spot on CSKA's senior men's first team.

Really, of all the coaches he's ever had, ONLY the Serbian coaches ever played him bigger minutes. Every single other coach he's ever had, and it's been many at this point, did the same thing Doc Rivers is doing with him. 

He’s proven he deserves minutes. Aren’t you Mr. PER? Coaches can be wrong.
May 29, 2018 7:03pm
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He hasn't been able to prove it to a single coach in the NBA. Are they just all wrong? I am guessing it's an endurance thing with him. I am guessing that's what they're all seeing in practice..that he physically cannot handle the minutes. This article mentions how he really cannot handle 15 minutes

May 30, 2018 8:42am
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Well what about Mozgov, Okafor, Nene, McGee, Pachulia, Roy Hibbert, etc...  It seems that traditional big men who play in the paint don't have much of a role in the modern NBA anymore.  The Rockets were were not even playing a big when Capela went out for them during the WC finals.  And the Warriors playing Green at center most of the time.  Bigs who play the post and are also too slow to play defense like Boban is don't really have much of a place in the modern NBA anymore.  I think we should trade him and develop somebody we draft with that roster spot.

May 30, 2018 8:58am
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Boban cannot physically play more than 15 minutes really.  If he did he'd have a slew of knee and foot injuries.  The best thing for him was when the NBA started the season earlier aso that there was more time in between games, and the extra days off bewteen playoff games.  He is just too slow-footed to play much defense...pick and rolls kill him.  I like him as a backup but obviously he is more of a 3 or 4 million player.

May 30, 2018 9:31am
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If Boban has so many obvious limitations, why did Detroit give him a 3 year $21 million contract?
May 30, 2018 10:17am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:
If Boban has so many obvious limitations, why did Detroit give him a 3 year $21 million contract?

This is Detroit we are talking about.  They just gave us 3 solid playrs and a lotto pick for Blake Griffin nd his massive contract.  Being the richest person in the room doesn't necessarily mae you the smartest.  He got lucky when the cap exploded. His next contract will be 2 years for $6 million.

May 30, 2018 10:22am
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

And the excuse when Stan Van Gundy was his coach?

And the excuse when Gregg Popovich was his coach?

What excuses? They both gave him more minutes per game than Doc ever has.

Remember when Boban bailed out Doc against the Nuggets, Doc announced that he had circled the following game against the Rockets on his calendar to give Boban legitimate playing time, and then Boban only played three minutes in that game? If Boban's last name was Rivers, though, he probably would have played the full game.

May 30, 2018 10:26am
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VFHS wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Doc is still our "coach," so Boban's role will be to warm the bench until we're down 20+.

And the excuse when Stan Van Gundy was his coach?

And the excuse when Gregg Popovich was his coach?

What excuses? They both gave him more minutes per game than Doc ever has.

Remember when Boban bailed out Doc against the Nuggets, Doc announced that he had circled the following game against the Rockets on his calendar to give Boban legitimate playing time, and then Boban only played three minutes in that game? If Boban's last name was Rivers, though, he probably would have played the full game.

Remember when Doc said we would have more ball movement and better offense without CP? and you believed him?

 

May 30, 2018 10:30am
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trapp76 wrote:

Remember when Doc said we would have more ball movement and better offense without CP? and you believed him?

Remember when you kept insisting that Doc would be fired after this season, and then he was given a contract extension?

May 30, 2018 11:27am
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VFHS wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Remember when Doc said we would have more ball movement and better offense without CP? and you believed him?

Remember when you kept insisting that Doc would be fired after this season, and then he was given a contract extension?

Remember when you said Blake was better than CP and that the Blake trade to DET was "garbage" and that CP would never get to the WCF and that the Rockets wouldn't be competetive against GS?

May 30, 2018 11:47am
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Gheorghe Muresan always had pretty good rate stats and did manage to play significant minutes a few years, but that was a slower paced games and bigs were asked to defend away from the basket much less and he ended breaking pretty down fast.
May 30, 2018 12:01pm
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VFHS wrote:

What excuses? They both gave him more minutes per game than Doc ever has.

Not really. We're quibbling now about a few minutes. He's never played more than 15 minutes under any NBA coaches, and that article about him maxing out at 15 was when he was with Detroit. You want to argue about 6 vs 8 or 9 minutes or whatever, fine. That seems to miss the point though. 

May 30, 2018 12:36pm
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Mistwell wrote:

He hasn't been able to prove it to a single coach in the NBA. Are they just all wrong? I am guessing it's an endurance thing with him. I am guessing that's what they're all seeing in practice..that he physically cannot handle the minutes. This article mentions how he really cannot handle 15 minutes

 

He can't handle 15 minutes straight (huge difference), but there aren't many guys who can especially guys similar in size. But he could handle 15 minutes broken up into 2 halves or as I've mentioned before try him for two 6 minute halves. He can be productive in that time. If he doesn't hold up it's not like we are invested long term.

May 30, 2018 2:33pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

He hasn't been able to prove it to a single coach in the NBA. Are they just all wrong? I am guessing it's an endurance thing with him. I am guessing that's what they're all seeing in practice..that he physically cannot handle the minutes. This article mentions how he really cannot handle 15 minutes

 

He can't handle 15 minutes straight (huge difference)

Yes, huge difference, and I believe you're wrong. It was not a question of "straight" 15 minutes. It was 15 in a game, total. From the article, "This was just the 23rd time in Boban’s NBA career he’d played 15 minutes, and the second time this season." Checking the link they offer and they are correct - he had played 15 minutes or more TOTAL in a game  only 23 times in his career. 

May 30, 2018 6:08pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

He hasn't been able to prove it to a single coach in the NBA. Are they just all wrong? I am guessing it's an endurance thing with him. I am guessing that's what they're all seeing in practice..that he physically cannot handle the minutes. This article mentions how he really cannot handle 15 minutes

 

He can't handle 15 minutes straight (huge difference)

Yes, huge difference, and I believe you're wrong. It was not a question of "straight" 15 minutes. It was 15 in a game, total. From the article, "This was just the 23rd time in Boban’s NBA career he’d played 15 minutes, and the second time this season." Checking the link they offer and they are correct - he had played 15 minutes or more TOTAL in a game  only 23 times in his career. 

 

But the article mentions that he started to have major lapses on defense towards the end of his stint in the game and I'm saying it's because he played all those minutes consecutively in the Denver game. Just because he's only played more than 15 min 23 times doesn't mean he couldn't handle it.

 

Maybe he could maybe he couldn't, but if he had gotten the chance maybe he could but he likely would have to be a starter to do so since there is more ways to rest and play shorter stints instead of coming in and playing 10-12 minutes straight. 

May 30, 2018 6:27pm
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He can handle more than 15 minutes a game. He had no problem playing stints almost that long with us. Someone will be smart enough to give him minutes and I hope it’s us. He’s got a high basketball IQ and has been really good when given the chance. He moves around pretty good.
May 30, 2018 6:54pm
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tullabye wrote:
He can handle more than 15 minutes a game. He had no problem playing stints almost that long with us.
No he really DID have problem playing those stints. That's my point and the point of the artile and the reason every coach has pulled him prior to accumulating those minutes except in the most dire of situations. Read the article Tullabye they describe what happens to Boban out there when he's nearing 15 minutes, how he starts to lumber, his defense collapses, he fails to get down court, he makes mistakes, until he gets pulled. He does in fact have a problem playing that long.

May 30, 2018 8:14pm
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Sorry but he proved that article wrong last year. He didn’t have those issues with us. He played extremely well without any noticeable drop off. We shall see.
May 30, 2018 9:00pm
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tullabye wrote:
Sorry but he proved that article wrong last year. He didn’t have those issues with us. He played extremely well without any noticeable drop off. We shall see.

Dude, the article is FROM LAST YEAR WITH OUR TEAM. It's only 3 months old. 

May 30, 2018 9:09pm
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So what? Just because it’s in print doesn’t make it so.
May 31, 2018 11:43am
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Mistwell wrote:

tullabye wrote:
Sorry but he proved that article wrong last year. He didn’t have those issues with us. He played extremely well without any noticeable drop off. We shall see.

Dude, the article is FROM LAST YEAR WITH OUR TEAM. It's only 3 months old. 

 

This is such an incredibly small sample size I can't believe you're actually pointing to it. He played 2 games over 15 minutes for our team and they were both just barely over. And in one of those games I already explained to you they were all consecutive in the Denver game, which also came after a full month where he played 1 minute. I think most guys would get gassed after not playing for a month then all of a sudden inserted in for a game for 15 straight minutes.

 

We should have at least tested it once we were eliminated, that was one thing I didn't get with Doc last year. We had a week to test things out and we could have gotten a good idea what would happen if you tried to play him 8-10 minutes per half, but instead he wanted to stick with DJ in meaningless games.

May 31, 2018 12:20pm
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Why not just try it and see what happens?

If he gets hurt he gets hurt. Oh well.

May 31, 2018 12:32pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Why not just try it and see what happens?

If he gets hurt he gets hurt. Oh well.

Really.  Playing Boban 15 minutes is much less risky than playing Gallo 15 minutes

May 31, 2018 5:30pm
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It's not about injury. He won't get hurt playing more than 15 minutes, he just runs out of steam and isn't helpful for anything beyond that point. 

Sure, try it. I don't think it will work, but sure give it a go. 

Jun 5, 2018 10:07am
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He just signed for a role in the new John Wick 3 movie with Keanu Reeves. Boban is going Hollywood. I hope he isn't seen with a Kardashian/Jenner next.

Jun 5, 2018 11:46am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

He just signed for a role in the new John Wick 3 movie with Keanu Reeves. Boban is going Hollywood. I hope he isn't seen with a Kardashian/Jenner next.

 

That's awesome I'd buy a ticket today to see that

Jun 5, 2018 1:46pm
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The next James Bond movie needs to bring back the Jaws character with Boban in the role.