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#1 Jun 4, 2018 12:28pm
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Austin Still "Undecided" on Player Option

LA guard Austin Rivers says he's still undecided on his player option. Says he's still weighing his options.

Jun 4, 2018 12:30pm
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This is just a way for him to lie and say he has other options.

Jun 4, 2018 2:13pm
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I thought he was looking forward to losing the stigma of playing for his dad and defining himself as his own person. What’s changed?

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“People was like, ‘Oh, there’s Doc’s son, there’s Doc’s son,’” Jones says. “He’s like, ‘No, I’m Austin.’ … He wants to be his own person and he’s worked extremely hard to become his own person, and he’s very confident in who he is, because of the hard work he put in.”

http://tinyurl.com/ycemcbmm

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Jun 4, 2018 2:20pm
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CorkScrew wrote:



I thought he was looking forward to losing the stigma of playing for his dad and defining himself as his own person. What’s changed?

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“People was like, ‘Oh, there’s Doc’s son, there’s Doc’s son,’” Jones says. “He’s like, ‘No, I’m Austin.’ … He wants to be his own person and he’s worked extremely hard to become his own person, and he’s very confident in who he is, because of the hard work he put in.”

http://tinyurl.com/ycemcbmm

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He wants to cash them checks more, lol.

Jun 4, 2018 3:35pm
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Options? What options? Has there even been the slightest indication that any other team wants this scrub?
Jun 4, 2018 3:48pm
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Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

Jun 4, 2018 3:58pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

Jun 4, 2018 5:04pm
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gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.
Jun 4, 2018 5:14pm
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tullabye wrote:

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

 

I give him credit for being better than... Jameer Nelson, Jerryd Bayless or Jawun Evans.   And that's just the J players.

Jun 4, 2018 5:16pm
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JGlanton wrote:

tullabye wrote:

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

 

I give him credit for being better than... Jameer Nelson, Jerryd Bayless or Jawun Evans.   And that's just the J players.

You forgot jamal Crawford
Jun 4, 2018 5:36pm
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OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

Jun 4, 2018 6:07pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

I don't think he is better than Jordan Clarkson. Under what metric?

Jun 4, 2018 6:41pm
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Jr would be helping the Cavs right now.. he does play well in playoffs.
Jun 4, 2018 7:35pm
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I'm still saying he's opting oout.

Sisyphus is right: he opts in, he's getting dealt.

Jun 4, 2018 8:02pm
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tullabye wrote:
gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

 

This thread isn't even taking a dig at Austin.. we're legitmatly trying to figure out what options he claims he has.

Jun 4, 2018 8:14pm
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tullabye wrote:
gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

The disconnect with Austin is he is a journeyman talent-wise but plays 34 minutes a game and earns $12 million per season. Only five players played more than 32 minutes a game and had a PER below 13:

http://bkref.com/tiny/Q7Yvz

I suppose he is a better bargain than Carmelo.

 

Jun 4, 2018 8:47pm
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Austin's playoff performance is a lot like a his regular season performance, a few good games here and there surrounded by a bunch of bad ones. He's really good at creating low expectations and then sometimes exceeding them.
Jun 4, 2018 9:59pm
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pro100 wrote:

tullabye wrote:
gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

 

This thread isn't even taking a dig at Austin.. we're legitmatly trying to figure out what options he claims he has.

His options:

LA Clippers

D-League

Europe

Australia

China

Jun 4, 2018 10:37pm
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

tullabye wrote:
gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

The disconnect with Austin is he is a journeyman talent-wise but plays 34 minutes a game and earns $12 million per season. Only five players played more than 32 minutes a game and had a PER below 13:

http://bkref.com/tiny/Q7Yvz

I suppose he is a better bargain than Carmelo.

 

 

That list is interesting.  It's almost in exact order of scoring rate, but inverse order of player productivity.   Ariza is probably the best player on the list followed by Mattews, but they don't shoot enough to feed teh PER. The worst player is Carmelo, follwed my Austin, and they shoot the most respectively.  Lonzo had better learn how to shoot this summer.

Jun 4, 2018 10:38pm
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mannycoon wrote:
Austin's playoff performance is a lot like a his regular season performance, a few good games here and there surrounded by a bunch of bad ones. He's really good at creating low expectations and then sometimes exceeding them.

 

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Jun 4, 2018 11:55pm
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VFHS wrote:
pro100 wrote:

tullabye wrote:
gilp5 wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Junior's option is opt out and choose his next team or opt in and get traded to whatever team offers the best deal.

If he opts out his next team could be in the D league.

I think he’s better than most on this board give him credit for. I don’t know what’s out there for him but he’s an NBA player.

 

This thread isn't even taking a dig at Austin.. we're legitmatly trying to figure out what options he claims he has.

His options:

LA Clippers

D-League

Europe

Australia

China

 

Orlando Magic, Atlanta Hawks, maybe the Denver Nuggets.

Jun 5, 2018 12:03am
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gilp5 wrote:

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OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

I don't think he is better than Jordan Clarkson. Under what metric?

 

Clarkson's PER this postseason is 3.3. That's in 19 games. Austin's PER in 23 postseason games is about 11. And he's easily better on defense which isn't really accounted for in stats. He's no superstar, but if you put him in a Cavs jersey he'd be helping Lebron as much if not more than any player they have besides Love in this series.

Jun 5, 2018 12:59am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

I don't think he is better than Jordan Clarkson. Under what metric?

 

Clarkson's PER this postseason is 3.3. That's in 19 games. Austin's PER in 23 postseason games is about 11. And he's easily better on defense which isn't really accounted for in stats. He's no superstar, but if you put him in a Cavs jersey he'd be helping Lebron as much if not more than any player they have besides Love in this series.

Come on you know that's being very selective with the stats. Clarkson's overall PER is 16.50 vs Austin at 12.60. 

Jun 5, 2018 8:24am
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Austin would have a fair amount of options...just depends on how much he could possibly get. Saying his only option is China or G-League is just stupid.

Jun 5, 2018 9:26am
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I genuinely don't understand the narrative that Austin is a "good playoff performer." He's been a net-negative player in the postseason (-2.3 career BPM) just like he is in the regular season. His TS% is an embarrassing 50%, just like it is in the regular season. He scores less in the playoffs, and his already meager contributions in other areas of the box score (such as assists and rebounds) shrinks even more. The most you can say positively about Playoff Austin is that he isn't timid or afraid of the moment... but it doesn't change the fact that he's actually a worse player in the playoffs than he is in the regular season - and he isn't good in the regular season.
Jun 5, 2018 10:13am
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People remember that one big game a lot more than they remember the nothing games or that he shot 34% over his last playoff series with a series total of 2 asts and 1 stl.

Jun 5, 2018 10:24am
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babyradar01 wrote:

Austin would have a fair amount of options...just depends on how much he could possibly get. Saying his only option is China or G-League is just stupid.

Someone with a 12.60 PER would not have a lot of very good options. Certainly nothing close to his current salary.

Jun 5, 2018 10:31am
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gilp5 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

Austin would have a fair amount of options...just depends on how much he could possibly get. Saying his only option is China or G-League is just stupid.

Someone with a 12.60 PER would not have a lot of very good options. Certainly nothing close to his current salary.

Not to be devil's advocate but there are going to be  A LOT of guys who signed contracts that off-season who aren't going to get anything close to their current salary when their contract is over.............because of the cap bump that off-season.

Jun 5, 2018 11:01am
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I only takes on dumb team to pay him, just hope its not us.
Jun 5, 2018 11:20am
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Speaking of 12.6 PERs, it will be interesting to see what Isiaih Thomas gets offered this summer

Jun 5, 2018 11:33am
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Austin, if you want respect, please leave and have yourself a serviceable career in the Eastern conference.  If you want to be clowned, stick around....it's that simple.

Jun 5, 2018 11:41am
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I think the only reason he would opt out is that he figured out a way to get a long term contract with the Clippers.  And no they are not going to deal him if he signs such a contract.  Austin isn't just about bad performance and bad PER.  He is a tweener.  Not big enough to play the shooting guard position and not a good enough playmaker to play point guard.  Just the type of player nobody wants.  And his defense is way overrated.  He isn't good on defense like Doc always says he is.  He is very bad on defense like a Jamal Crawford or somebody.  Our defense stunk when he started games.  These guys like Beverley and Bradley play much better defense than Rivers even though they are shorter.  Longer arms, higher basketball IQ, stronger players.  I guess.  If Austin does opt out Ballmer needs to order Frank to say we don't want Austin back instead of listening to what Doc wants.

Jun 5, 2018 12:06pm
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gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

I don't think he is better than Jordan Clarkson. Under what metric?

 

Clarkson's PER this postseason is 3.3. That's in 19 games. Austin's PER in 23 postseason games is about 11. And he's easily better on defense which isn't really accounted for in stats. He's no superstar, but if you put him in a Cavs jersey he'd be helping Lebron as much if not more than any player they have besides Love in this series.

Come on you know that's being very selective with the stats. Clarkson's overall PER is 16.50 vs Austin at 12.60. 

 

That is their full resume of postseason games including the games last season where Austin came back and tried to play through injury. Having a 3.3 PER through 19 games is a fair sample and I feel very comfortable coming to the conclusion that the guy can't play in real games. I'll give you that his overall PER is higher, but 14.9 not 16.5 I just don't know how much of that must have come from playing in a lot of garbage time.

 

Maybe I'm not being fair in this argument so you might have a point, because I'm comparing mostly playoffs which is what I've seen them both close to an equal amount and I've seen Austin make positive impacts many times while Clarkson is game after game having some of the worst games I've seen taking multiple shots per game that are worse than I've seen Austin take. I just value postseason play so much more than regular season and I think some guys can get away with stuff in those games that they never will in the playoffs. 

Jun 5, 2018 12:07pm
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I can't believe he's even thinking about it.

It's a no brainer that he should opt in.

Jun 5, 2018 12:10pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

I think the only reason he would opt out is that he figured out a way to get a long term contract with the Clippers.  And no they are not going to deal him if he signs such a contract.  Austin isn't just about bad performance and bad PER.  He is a tweener.  Not big enough to play the shooting guard position and not a good enough playmaker to play point guard.  Just the type of player nobody wants.  And his defense is way overrated.  He isn't good on defense like Doc always says he is.  He is very bad on defense like a Jamal Crawford or somebody.  Our defense stunk when he started games.  These guys like Beverley and Bradley play much better defense than Rivers even though they are shorter.  Longer arms, higher basketball IQ, stronger players.  I guess.  If Austin does opt out Ballmer needs to order Frank to say we don't want Austin back instead of listening to what Doc wants.

 

You don't think he would opt out to get a long term deal from another team? I don't think he's dead set on staying with the team. In fact at some point I think he definitely wants to go elsewhere. He's just considering the market and now is not the best time. In another year he is still young enough to secure a long term deal.

 

I don't think there's any way we extend him early since we want to be players in 2019, which also could cost us on a Harrell deal if another team comes in with a big money long term deal. Man would it be nice to have that 29th pick instead of Gallo right now. 

Jun 5, 2018 12:26pm
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trapp76 wrote:

I can't believe he's even thinking about it.

It's a no brainer that he should opt in.

This is a guy who thinks very highly of himself. He may genuinely think he will get bigger offers elsewhere. I will say I am happy Austin is training with trainer David Alexander. That's a very good sign. 

Jun 5, 2018 12:54pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

I think the only reason he would opt out is that he figured out a way to get a long term contract with the Clippers.  And no they are not going to deal him if he signs such a contract.  Austin isn't just about bad performance and bad PER.  He is a tweener.  Not big enough to play the shooting guard position and not a good enough playmaker to play point guard.  Just the type of player nobody wants.  And his defense is way overrated.  He isn't good on defense like Doc always says he is.  He is very bad on defense like a Jamal Crawford or somebody.  Our defense stunk when he started games.  These guys like Beverley and Bradley play much better defense than Rivers even though they are shorter.  Longer arms, higher basketball IQ, stronger players.  I guess.  If Austin does opt out Ballmer needs to order Frank to say we don't want Austin back instead of listening to what Doc wants.

 

You don't think he would opt out to get a long term deal from another team? I don't think he's dead set on staying with the team. In fact at some point I think he definitely wants to go elsewhere. He's just considering the market and now is not the best time. In another year he is still young enough to secure a long term deal.

 

I don't think there's any way we extend him early since we want to be players in 2019, which also could cost us on a Harrell deal if another team comes in with a big money long term deal. Man would it be nice to have that 29th pick instead of Gallo right now. 

Sure he would like to opt out for a longer term deal. But his agent will tell him that's not happening anywhere unless the Clippers are stupid and corrupt enough to do it.

Jun 5, 2018 12:57pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

OR Jordan Clarkson. The Cavs would kill for Austin

I don't think he is better than Jordan Clarkson. Under what metric?

 

Clarkson's PER this postseason is 3.3. That's in 19 games. Austin's PER in 23 postseason games is about 11. And he's easily better on defense which isn't really accounted for in stats. He's no superstar, but if you put him in a Cavs jersey he'd be helping Lebron as much if not more than any player they have besides Love in this series.

Come on you know that's being very selective with the stats. Clarkson's overall PER is 16.50 vs Austin at 12.60. 

 

That is their full resume of postseason games including the games last season where Austin came back and tried to play through injury. Having a 3.3 PER through 19 games is a fair sample and I feel very comfortable coming to the conclusion that the guy can't play in real games. I'll give you that his overall PER is higher, but 14.9 not 16.5 I just don't know how much of that must have come from playing in a lot of garbage time.

 

Maybe I'm not being fair in this argument so you might have a point, because I'm comparing mostly playoffs which is what I've seen them both close to an equal amount and I've seen Austin make positive impacts many times while Clarkson is game after game having some of the worst games I've seen taking multiple shots per game that are worse than I've seen Austin take. I just value postseason play so much more than regular season and I think some guys can get away with stuff in those games that they never will in the playoffs. 

You are right - his PER this year is 16.50 and career is 14.9.  I misread it on ESPN. Still higher than Austin.

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JGlanton wrote:

People remember that one big game a lot more than they remember the nothing games or that he shot 34% over his last playoff series with a series total of 2 asts and 1 stl.

check your records. He had more than one big game.
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gilp5 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

Austin would have a fair amount of options...just depends on how much he could possibly get. Saying his only option is China or G-League is just stupid.

Someone with a 12.60 PER would not have a lot of very good options. Certainly nothing close to his current salary.


True, which is why I used the phrases "fair amount" and "options" versues "a lot" and "very good".  He will have decent options.  I could see him getting a 3 year, 20 mil contract from a team.   I'm not saying Austin "deserves" that much...but he plays in a league where a guy averaging 7 pts and 9 rebs got a 58 million deal in 2015...and that same player promptly went on to reward his team by averaging  2.5 pts and  4 rebs per game the last 4 years.   

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babyradar01 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

Austin would have a fair amount of options...just depends on how much he could possibly get. Saying his only option is China or G-League is just stupid.

Someone with a 12.60 PER would not have a lot of very good options. Certainly nothing close to his current salary.


True, which is why I used the phrases "fair amount" and "options" versues "a lot" and "very good".  He will have decent options.  I could see him getting a 3 year, 20 mil contract from a team.   I'm not saying Austin "deserves" that much...but he plays in a league where a guy averaging 7 pts and 9 rebs got a 58 million deal in 2015...and that same player promptly went on to reward his team by averaging  2.5 pts and  4 rebs per game the last 4 years.   

Ok so basically you are saying he might get a contract from a team that will regret it. 

Jun 5, 2018 6:19pm
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He looks like an MLE guy to me, so 3 years $20 or thereabouts seems reasonable. 

 

Maybe we'll get lucky and some desperate team promises him a long-term deal if he opts out.  Hey Detroit!  LOL. Clips won't match anything over 1 year.

 

Then we give Austin's $12M one-year slot to Avery.   A guy can dream...

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Mistwell wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

I can't believe he's even thinking about it.

It's a no brainer that he should opt in.

This is a guy who thinks very highly of himself. He may genuinely think he will get bigger offers elsewhere. I will say I am happy Austin is training with trainer David Alexander. That's a very good sign. 

 

And it will do nothing for him because hes so fucking bad

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tullabye wrote:
JGlanton wrote:

People remember that one big game a lot more than they remember the nothing games or that he shot 34% over his last playoff series with a series total of 2 asts and 1 stl.

check your records. He had more than one big game.

 

That wasn't a big game, that was an "okay hey you are supposed to do that" game.

 

stop sucking austins ass

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SamIAm19 wrote:

tullabye wrote:
JGlanton wrote:

People remember that one big game a lot more than they remember the nothing games or that he shot 34% over his last playoff series with a series total of 2 asts and 1 stl.

check your records. He had more than one big game.

 

That wasn't a big game, that was an "okay hey you are supposed to do that" game.

 

stop sucking austins ass

Maybe you should stop being so paranoid of Austin.
Jun 6, 2018 8:03am
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When Is the deadline to opt in for Jordan and Austin?
Jun 6, 2018 8:40am
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BlakeG4MVP wrote:
When Is the deadline to opt in for Jordan and Austin?

6/29.  

Jun 6, 2018 8:53am
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Jerry should tell Austin and Doc two things:  1) We're picking Sexton and Lonnie Walker in the draft and Lonnie will be the starting; and 2) You even think about picking up that fucking option you'll either be traded to the Nets or you'll be flying cargo planes full of plastic dog shit out of Hong Kong!

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laughlaughlaugh

Jun 6, 2018 10:00am
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JGlanton wrote:

BlakeG4MVP wrote:
When Is the deadline to opt in for Jordan and Austin?

6/29.  

Another thing to watch for on that date, we have a  $7,273,631 TPE from the Chris Paul trade that expires on that day as well if we don't use it (maybe 6/28, its either 28th or 29th, I don't remember).

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tullabye wrote:
SamIAm19 wrote:

tullabye wrote:
JGlanton wrote:

People remember that one big game a lot more than they remember the nothing games or that he shot 34% over his last playoff series with a series total of 2 asts and 1 stl.

check your records. He had more than one big game.

 

That wasn't a big game, that was an "okay hey you are supposed to do that" game.

 

stop sucking austins ass

Maybe you should stop being so paranoid of Austin.

 

that was a very weak comeback