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#1 May 16, 2018 8:09am
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#2 - Golden State Warriors @ Houston Rockets

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May 16, 2018 8:19am
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Rockets starting at -2 in this game.  Can't believe that Vegas has not adjusted the odds to favor the Warriors.  Why would game two be any different thant game one?  Rockets can make adjustments but so can the Warriors.  I give the Warriors a big edge in coaching in this series.  D'Antoni is a regular season coach and Kerr is a playoffs coach.  But Kerr has a lot more weapons to play with so there is that.  Not too sure how good a coach he would be if he did not have a stacked team.  Easy to coach offense when you have Durant who can shoot over everybody in the NBA.  And Curry who can bomb from anywhere on the court.

Key to the Rockets winning is they have to force a lot of turnovers and get easy baskets on the break.  Can't beat the Warriors running ISO's against set defenses.  You have to turn them over by pressuring them more on defense.  CP3 has to dominate Curry which is something that he may not be able to do.  Let's hope the Rockets can get this game so that it will be a competitive series.  I like the Warriors to win this game from an objective standpoint but as a fan it would be nice if the Rockets pulled the upset.  Or according to Vegas played to form and won as the favorite.

May 16, 2018 8:32am
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Maybe Vegas is using history of what happens when the road team blows out the home team in game 1.

 

Maybe history says they lose game 2.

May 16, 2018 8:57am
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Its weird.  I know they had the -2 on game two before the series even started.  They never want to change the line too much or people get to bet on both sides and can win both bets.  If the Warriors went from -2 to start and ended at +3 then early bettors take the Warriors and the two then when the line shifts they take the Rockets plus 3 and then as long as the Warriors don't win by more than three or the Rockets don't win by more than two they either win or tie both bets.  Worst case is they lose one bet and win the other one.  So Vegas can't move the spread by too much.  Expect it to tighten up by the time the game starts.  People have to love the Warriors and the points.

May 16, 2018 10:15am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Rockets starting at -2 in this game.  Can't believe that Vegas has not adjusted the odds to favor the Warriors.  Why would game two be any different thant game one?  

Because a lot of times road teams who win game 1 let foot off the gas in game 2 and home team plays with more urgency. It's basically a must win game for the home team if they want any chance to win the series, so they leave it all out on the floor.

 

May 16, 2018 11:46am
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If Warriors win the title this year, how many more titles will they win? Klay seems happy to stay as the #3 guy. Steph is the oldest of the Big Four at 30. Kerr's back seems ok.

May 16, 2018 12:54pm
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Klay says the right stuff, but some part of him has to want to be more prominent in an offense. No matter how much you say it, playing your whole career pretty much in a limited role can get frustrating.

May 16, 2018 12:59pm
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They had Klay on TNT after the game on Monday and they asked him how he liked being the third option on a stacked Warriors team.  He said he was happy to have the opportunity to be there and to be playing for championships.  I am sure a lot of athletes want to win more than they want to be the star of a team.  Klay said he was happy where he is.  But would he take a pay cut to be there?  That is a whole different story.

May 16, 2018 1:35pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

They had Klay on TNT after the game on Monday and they asked him how he liked being the third option on a stacked Warriors team.  He said he was happy to have the opportunity to be there and to be playing for championships.  I am sure a lot of athletes want to win more than they want to be the star of a team.  Klay said he was happy where he is.  But would he take a pay cut to be there?  That is a whole different story.

Money is 90% of what these people care about. Far more than winning or anything else. He wouldn't take a large pay cut to be anywhere. If it was a matter of 2x more money, Klay would go to Sacramento in a second. 

May 16, 2018 2:12pm
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gilp5 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

They had Klay on TNT after the game on Monday and they asked him how he liked being the third option on a stacked Warriors team.  He said he was happy to have the opportunity to be there and to be playing for championships.  I am sure a lot of athletes want to win more than they want to be the star of a team.  Klay said he was happy where he is.  But would he take a pay cut to be there?  That is a whole different story.

Money is 90% of what these people care about. Far more than winning or anything else. He wouldn't take a large pay cut to be anywhere. If it was a matter of 2x more money, Klay would go to Sacramento in a second. 

Warriors could still win titles without Klay.

But take away Curry, KD or Draymond and they would be beatable again.

May 16, 2018 3:06pm
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Klay is their third offensive option but hes never been their third best player, that used to be Igoudala and since Durant its Green.
May 16, 2018 4:53pm
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gilp5 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

They had Klay on TNT after the game on Monday and they asked him how he liked being the third option on a stacked Warriors team.  He said he was happy to have the opportunity to be there and to be playing for championships.  I am sure a lot of athletes want to win more than they want to be the star of a team.  Klay said he was happy where he is.  But would he take a pay cut to be there?  That is a whole different story.

Money is 90% of what these people care about. Far more than winning or anything else. He wouldn't take a large pay cut to be anywhere. If it was a matter of 2x more money, Klay would go to Sacramento in a second. 

 

They also care about playing time.

 

If the money is similar, they'd rather be somewhere where they can get more opportunities.

May 16, 2018 5:32pm
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What's he going to say, that he'd rather go somewhere else and have a bigger role while they are in a playoff run? I don't doubt he's getting good advice that he is in a good situation that you might regret leaving but he's not an all time great where his legacy will be made or broken by titles. I guess he could be a bubble HOF guy that would be put over the top with 5+ championships.

May 16, 2018 5:41pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

What's he going to say, that he'd rather go somewhere else and have a bigger role while they are in a playoff run? I don't doubt he's getting good advice that he is in a good situation that you might regret leaving but he's not an all time great where his legacy will be made or broken by titles. I guess he could be a bubble HOF guy that would be put over the top with 5+ championships.

I think Barkley once had a ranking of player priorities.

Money is by far #1. If money is comparable (does not have to be exactly the same), then being in a winning situation where they play a key role is #2. 

If money is not comparable, they go for the money.

Of course there are some exceptions such as players in the last years of their careers where they already made a lot of money (such as Jamal Crawford this year). But this is not the general rule.

I think there's a good chance the Lakers will throw a lot of money at Klay if they strike out with bigger free agents and he'll go there.

May 16, 2018 6:20pm
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Man, Luc has missed 2 point blank lay ups. He might not be right, big blow for Houston

May 16, 2018 8:04pm
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Maybe Rockets -2 wasnt a bad bet tonight.
May 16, 2018 8:42pm
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Watching Cp3 abuse curry is sweet. Don't think curry ever guarded Cp3 when he was a clipper
May 16, 2018 8:54pm
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CP0 wasn't "abusing" anyone. 16/6 is hardly an eye-popping statline for the so-called "Point God." Plus, it looks like he got injured yet again.

I still say Warriors in 5. This was an unsustainable performance for Houston, fueled by their role players all going Super Saiyan.

May 16, 2018 9:20pm
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Kerr isn't going to let Curry get hunted like that going forward. Maybe he wanted to give him a chance, but Paul and especially Harden definitely abused him. They're not even trying to avoid those switches. Paul started off really slow and passive, but he ended up taking advantage in the 2h. It would be the Warriors luck if his injury hampers him going forward, I want to see them beat a team full strength.

May 17, 2018 8:09am
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Once again I look like a moron for saying the Vegas spread was out of whack for this game.  This is why I don't gamble on these games.  I would have bet heavy on the Warriors in game one based on my analysis that they would stop the Rockets pick-and-roll offense and I would have made money and felt like a basketball genius.  I would have doubled the bet for game two thinking it would be the same thing on a different night and got may ass handed to me and lost not only my winnings but my original bet too.  Screw Vegas and sports betting.

Now about the actual game.  Curry played like complete crap and so did Klay Thompson.  Two guys I really counted on to have big games.  And Trent Tucker and Eric Gordon played like All Stars when I expected them to both have crap games.  It sucks, it sucks, it sucks.  Only reason I said the Rockets would have a chance in this game was to patronize all the Rockets fans who want them to win.  At least this thing will go at least five games and I learned once again that a blind monkey picking colored marbles out of a bowl could not only beat the 538 prognosticators but the monkey could beat me too against the spread even with all my basketball knowledge.  Its disgusting and embarassing but true.  Kudos to Vegas for beating me once again.  Of course they have not really beaten me since I was smart enough not to place any bets.  Soon this crap is going to be legal to do in California.  So don't think you can beat the monkey.  The monkey does not have to pay any vigorish and you do.

May 17, 2018 8:10am
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The Vegas spread was out of whack. You were correct.
May 17, 2018 12:32pm
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This happens every year, we just forget by the time the playoffs come around. One team looks dominant and the other has a bad game and we're quick to call it over. The Warriors will look much different in the next game, but the Rockets at least appear to have the firepower to keep up.

 

They have to hope Durant is due for a bad game, but Curry is definitely due for a good one especially with the home crowd pumping him up. The Rockets are deeper 5-8, but for them it's all about their guys after Paul and Harden playing well, which they were night and day difference betweem games 1 and 2. They will be on and off though, but the hustle has to be there. Luc would have been a key guy for Durant, but if he can't even complete an easy lay up Golden State will exploit his offense and crush them with it.

May 17, 2018 1:02pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

What's he going to say, that he'd rather go somewhere else and have a bigger role while they are in a playoff run? I don't doubt he's getting good advice that he is in a good situation that you might regret leaving but he's not an all time great where his legacy will be made or broken by titles. I guess he could be a bubble HOF guy that would be put over the top with 5+ championships.

 

I'm pretty sure Curry, Durant, Green, and Thompson are getting in the HOF.

 

Maybe not right away, but at some point I think Green and Thompson will get in.  Thompson with his All Star appearances and playoffs runs.

May 17, 2018 1:03pm
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gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

What's he going to say, that he'd rather go somewhere else and have a bigger role while they are in a playoff run? I don't doubt he's getting good advice that he is in a good situation that you might regret leaving but he's not an all time great where his legacy will be made or broken by titles. I guess he could be a bubble HOF guy that would be put over the top with 5+ championships.

I think Barkley once had a ranking of player priorities.

Money is by far #1. If money is comparable (does not have to be exactly the same), then being in a winning situation where they play a key role is #2. 

If money is not comparable, they go for the money.

Of course there are some exceptions such as players in the last years of their careers where they already made a lot of money (such as Jamal Crawford this year). But this is not the general rule.

I think there's a good chance the Lakers will throw a lot of money at Klay if they strike out with bigger free agents and he'll go there.

 

Yes.  Barkley's rankings for priorities for NBA players in general were money, playing time, and then winning.

May 17, 2018 1:07pm
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General narrative after game 1:  "Harden and Paul have to have big games for the Rockets to have a chance".

 

Reality:  Bench players won the game.

 

That usually happens 1 or 2x in a long series.

 

This was similar to game 1 of the 2016 NBA Finals, when the Warrior starters sucked, but then Leandro Barbosa and Livingston competely outplayed the Cavs starters.  The narrative after that game was how embarrasing it was that the Warriors starters didn't play well, and yet the Warriors still won because their bench outplayed the Cavs team.

May 17, 2018 1:45pm
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Thompson is not getting in the Hall of Fame. He's never even been a #2 on a team. 

May 17, 2018 2:30pm
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He's going to be so high up on the all time 3 point list and potentially have a few titles where he was a key player and the number 2 offensive option in 2015. Maybe he's borderline, but the NBA is not that hard to make it in so I'd agree with Nuraman that he gets in

May 17, 2018 3:00pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

He's going to be so high up on the all time 3 point list and potentially have a few titles where he was a key player and the number 2 offensive option in 2015. Maybe he's borderline, but the NBA is not that hard to make it in so I'd agree with Nuraman that he gets in

 

Exactly.  He'll be on a lot of 3-point record books.

 

Rajon Rondo will probably get in too at some point, because of all of his triple doubles in the playoffs and such.

 

Some players who carve roles and are very good at it, get in.  Kind of like how Rodman got in.

 

Some of these guys have been in so many playoffs games that I think they'll get in at some point.  Or let's just say it wouldn't surprise me.

May 17, 2018 4:02pm
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VFHS wrote:

CP0 wasn't "abusing" anyone. 16/6 is hardly an eye-popping statline for the so-called "Point God." Plus, it looks like he got injured yet again.

I still say Warriors in 5. This was an unsustainable performance for Houston, fueled by their role players all going Super Saiyan.

"CP0 wasn't abusing anyone.....in the WCF which I said he would never get to, in the game where his team blew out the Warriors, which I said would never happen."

May 17, 2018 4:17pm
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At least we don't have to listen to VFHS whine for the next year that CP3 never won a conference finals game.  One good thing about the Warriors not sweeping.  He did get hurt last night though.  Looked like the right achilles or something.  He had to limp out of the game with five minutes to play.  Rockets would love to keep it secret if he can't go on Sunday.  But because of our heroes in Vegas they are going to have to release the information earlier to protect the betting public. 

Speaking of Vegas the Warriors are -7 for game three.  So I wasn't too much wrong, thank you Tullabye, for saying that the -2 was out of whack with reality since Vegas has since adjusted even after a Rockets win.  Anomalies happen in sports and Tucker and Gordon outplaying Curry and Thompson was definitely an anomaly.  But even Vegas believes that and has adjusted their point spread to reflect that.  Giving up seven is something I never bet on because if you give that many some fluike in garbage time can always beat you.   Getting the Warriors and points in this series was the best possible scenario for betting the Warriors.  Doubt if it will happen again.

May 17, 2018 4:38pm
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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

CP0 wasn't "abusing" anyone. 16/6 is hardly an eye-popping statline for the so-called "Point God." Plus, it looks like he got injured yet again.

I still say Warriors in 5. This was an unsustainable performance for Houston, fueled by their role players all going Super Saiyan.

"CP0 wasn't abusing anyone.....in the WCF which I said he would never get to, in the game where his team blew out the Warriors, which I said would never happen."

"Doc and Austin are gone for sure next year, which is why Doc is still here and getting an extension and Austin is opting in."
May 17, 2018 4:40pm
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https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/houston-golden-state-odds-may-20-2018-978477

This is certainly an informative web site for people who are looking for info on game three.  Opening at -5.5 Warriors and already bet up to -7.5 at some sites.  Rockets +295 to win the game outright at some sites.  I guess these guys don't all get together and set their odds and instead move their lines based on the betting public.  Whatever is going on it looks like the Rockets are underdogs on Sunday and not by a little.  By a lot.

https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/golden-state-houston-odds-may-16-2018-978472

This is also a good summary of what happened last night.  Usually I go to ESPN for my information but maybe I will start using this web site more frequently.

May 18, 2018 12:17pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

This happens every year, we just forget by the time the playoffs come around. One team looks dominant and the other has a bad game and we're quick to call it over.

 

Narrative after game 1 of the Clippers-Thunder series, in which the Clippers won in a blowout, that was never close:

 

"The Thunder can't guard the Clippers!  Westbrook can't guard Chris Paul!  Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, and Derek Fisher suck for them."

 

The Thunder then won the next 2.85 games, losing game 4 in a late game meltdown after having a 16 point lead early in the 4th and losing.

 

Had they held that lead and won, they could have won the series in 5, given how game 5 played out.

May 22, 2018 9:10pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

gilp5 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

What's he going to say, that he'd rather go somewhere else and have a bigger role while they are in a playoff run? I don't doubt he's getting good advice that he is in a good situation that you might regret leaving but he's not an all time great where his legacy will be made or broken by titles. I guess he could be a bubble HOF guy that would be put over the top with 5+ championships.

I think Barkley once had a ranking of player priorities.

Money is by far #1. If money is comparable (does not have to be exactly the same), then being in a winning situation where they play a key role is #2. 

If money is not comparable, they go for the money.

Of course there are some exceptions such as players in the last years of their careers where they already made a lot of money (such as Jamal Crawford this year). But this is not the general rule.

I think there's a good chance the Lakers will throw a lot of money at Klay if they strike out with bigger free agents and he'll go there.

 

Yes.  Barkley's rankings for priorities for NBA players in general were money, playing time, and then winning.

 

@gilp5, did you see this post?

 

Do you recall Barkley saying this, in this order?

May 26, 2018 6:04pm
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Bump?