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#1 - Golden State Warriors @ Houston Rockets

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May 14, 2018 8:41am
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Rocket are -1.5 point favorites in this game.  I myself favor the Warriors by five.  Warriors defense vs. the D'Antoni pick-and-roll offense.  Key game for the Rockets to win to avoid a must win game in game two.  Warriors can take this one or one on Wednesday and be OK going back home.  Even losing two would not be a killer for them but I don't expect that to happen.  Enough interest in this series to warrant a game thread.  With CP3 in it I think so.  Game is a six.  The new software in this message board not as good with the date and time of the game so not sure it is not working correctly.  Logos of the two teams are huge which is different and not good.

May 14, 2018 3:32pm
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Well this is disappointing.  I wanted everybody to go on record as to which team they were picking and see who gets it right.   Who gets more points.  Klay and Curry or Harden and CP3?  Does Durant go off for more than 30?  Do both teams go over 110 points or is it going to be more of a defensive battle.  Lots of points of interest in this game.  A bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks to analyze what happened after the fact.  Oh well.  To each his own.  By the way.  Not really sure what the over/under is on points for Durant.  30 just a guess.

May 14, 2018 4:18pm
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Can both teams lose?
May 14, 2018 5:35pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Well this is disappointing.  I wanted everybody to go on record as to which team they were picking and see who gets it right.   Who gets more points.  Klay and Curry or Harden and CP3?  Does Durant go off for more than 30?  Do both teams go over 110 points or is it going to be more of a defensive battle.  Lots of points of interest in this game.  A bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks to analyze what happened after the fact.  Oh well.  To each his own.  By the way.  Not really sure what the over/under is on points for Durant.  30 just a guess.

 

My predctions:

 

 

http://clippertalk.com/comment/142647#comment-142647
May 14, 2018 6:57pm
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Houston is not playing too well so far, but they're still in it. They need to get Harden off of Durant, he has way too much to do on offense to have to carry that load as well. Houston's role players have been pretty bad other than Capela.

May 14, 2018 7:47pm
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Harden ISO every damn time
May 14, 2018 8:30pm
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Warriors in 5 at the most. CP0 had another classic playoff chokejob and disappearing act tonight.

May 14, 2018 8:38pm
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Houston probably going to have to give up on Gerald Green. Mbah a Moute needs to give them something on offense because that was too easy for Durant tonight. Harden was great tonight. Paul's numbers were ok, but it was a poor performance by him. He went a little passive when Harden was on the bench and they needed him to be aggressive.

May 14, 2018 8:52pm
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Luc, Tucker and Ariza were awful on offense but didnt really do much to slow down Durant either.
May 14, 2018 9:23pm
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Warriors in 3..... lol
May 15, 2018 8:21am
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Man you have to be dang near perfect to beat them boys.....We have no answer for Durant...Curry was slowed down by making him play defense....Harden was spectacular  although with some untimely turnovers...And Klay had too many open 3s......I said we had to win Game 1 to have a chance...I think we needed it for our mental toughness...its going to be awfully hard to come back from this but Wednesday is do or die for sure....

May 15, 2018 8:39am
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I was surprised the Warriors put Klay on CP3 in the second half and left Curry to guard Harden.  And that is what kept Houston in the game.  Harden abusing Curry.  Thought they would switch Curry to one of the wing shooters and put Klay on Harden and Iggy on CP3.  Even though Harden was playing great he was using up way too much energy on his ISOs.  You knew he was going to run out of gas by the fourth quarter.  And what will he have left for game two.  I would guess not as much.  Not sure who was guarding Tucker but the guy only shot it three times in 37 minutes.  That and Mbah a Moute were two worthless players on offense which we know as Clippers fans you can't afford to have against the Warriors.  And nobody can guard Durant and the guy does not have to expend much energy at all to get off his shots.  Massive advantage over Harden in the energy expenditure department.

Thing that impressed me most about the Warriors were the way Green and Durant just planted themselves under the boards on the defensive end and blocked out Capela from getting those offensive rebounds.  Shows what fundamentals like boxing out can do for you.  They did not even have to play McGee or Pachulia in the game which helped them a lot.  You can go small if your players have sound fundamental games like Draymond Green.  Rockets have to be like the Raptors after game one and be demoralized after that loss.  A sweep is now in play and because the Rockets pick-and-roll offense does not work against a good switching defense and they have to rely on Harden and CP3 ISOs for their offense a Warriors series win seems to be just a matter of how many games will it take them.  The TNT crew, especially Charles Barkley, were really depressed after the game because they all wanted a competitive series.

May 15, 2018 9:36am
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I know you don't care..but dont give up on us yet....we will get to see what we are really made of next game which is definitely do or die...see if D'antoni can coach a little and make some adjustments..the warriors didnt put Curry on Harden by the way..the rockets offense created the mismatch on their switches......We arent like the Raptors eiher because we are in the WCF not the second round....I hope that we can still make a series of it.....

May 15, 2018 9:46am
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If Luc is going to struggle so badly against Durant, might be worth throwing Anderson out there more and trying to score as much as possible. Luc had a strong regular season but has been really poor in the playoffs since coming back from his injury, he might not be quite right physically. Ariza's foul trouble hurt because they were forced to go Luc and Tucker more than usual and both were having poor games.
May 15, 2018 9:55am
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mannycoon wrote:
If Luc is going to struggle so badly against Durant, might be worth throwing Anderson out there more and trying to score as much as possible. Luc had a strong regular season but has been really poor in the playoffs since coming back from his injury, he might not be quite right physically. Ariza's foul trouble hurt because they were forced to go Luc and Tucker more than usual and both were having poor games.

 

You know Luc has been instructed not to dunk the ball either with previously twice dislocated shoulder thus the cause of him missing a lot of shots right at the rim....I am actually for trying to see if old man Johnson might have some magic at this point.

May 15, 2018 10:09am
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Yeah you are right.  You aren't like the Raptors.  They actually made two of their playoff losses to the Cavs close.

May 15, 2018 10:17am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Yeah you are right.  You aren't like the Raptors.  They actually made two of their playoff losses to the Cavs close.

The Cavs are nowhere near the caliber of the Warriors so that isn't saying much..The Cavs wouldnt beat us.....We still have 3 chances to get a win still....in the Conference finals...

May 15, 2018 10:19am
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Same old shit.

Nobody is beating the Warriors, Durant ruined the playoffs. Nothing has changed since the first day of the season.

 

May 15, 2018 10:20am
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VFHS wrote:

Warriors in 5 at the most. CP0 had another classic playoff chokejob and disappearing act tonight.

His line looked just fine to me.

May 15, 2018 10:35am
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His line may have been great but he basically disappeared in the second half.  Maybe a couple of threes or something but it did not impact the game much.  Really the Rockets did a good job guarding Curry.  Maybe that was his biggest impact.  So yes he did have a good game but it got lost because the Warriors were just relentless on offense with Thompson and Durant shooting threes.  Hard to notice just what CP3 was doing to help his team.

May 15, 2018 10:48am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

His line may have been great but he basically disappeared in the second half.  Maybe a couple of threes or something but it did not impact the game much.  Really the Rockets did a good job guarding Curry.  Maybe that was his biggest impact.  So yes he did have a good game but it got lost because the Warriors were just relentless on offense with Thompson and Durant shooting threes.  Hard to notice just what CP3 was doing to help his team.

 

Curry will never win the MVP again..crazy thing is that he has 2 mvps and no finals mvp....probably never will either....

May 15, 2018 10:52am
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Wow rox are going to get swept from what everyone seen last night. How freaking embrassing and pathetic is it to see the top overall seed get pummled like that
May 15, 2018 10:57am
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Even if you do shut down Curry like he basically was last night you still have all kinds of problems guarding Durant and Thompson.  That is the problem with playing the Warriors.  Even if you take away one of their main weapons they have other guys who can hurt you.  Its just very difficult.  Curry's layups did hurt though.  Even though he wasn't hitting or shooting threes those layups were very high percentage shots.  And his passing to teammates was good too.  A very high IQ player that helps his team dominate.  And made Harden expend a lot of energy to get off shots against him.  What else do you want from  your point guard.  I would take him on our team any day of the week.  He may not win MVP but its his team that is walking away with the championship.  That is the kind of unselfish player that you should want instead of the ISO specialist Harden who got his points in a loss.

May 15, 2018 11:06am
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trapp76 wrote:

Same old shit.

Nobody is beating the Warriors, Durant ruined the playoffs. Nothing has changed since the first day of the season.

 

 

And tha's why I think the West is weak too.  The Warrors might get through 2 years Western Conference Playoffs, and lose only 2 games.

 

That and they play Sacramento, the Lakers, and Suns a lot, and also Dallas and Memphis this year too.

 

If there isn't another team that can challenge the Warriors, then it's not a strong conference, IMO.  It's top heavy with one team.

 

Maybe a healthy Jazz team with Rubio could have done better, but we'll never know.

May 15, 2018 11:09am
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Chris Paul played bad.... no where to be found in 2nd half. The Rockets looked confused on offense in 2nd half, great adjustments by Kerr & Brown.
May 15, 2018 11:11am
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On radio shows, a radio host said that for FAs that are looking for the MLE, which team looks more fun to play with, the Warriors with their passing, or the Rockets with their ISO?

 

Houston lead the league in ISOs.

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775683-7-seconds-or-more-the-remaking-and-iso-ball-awakening-of-mike-dantoni

 

I'm ok with ISOs if have Shaq, Duncan, or Paul Pierce.  But those guys also made quicker decisions.

May 15, 2018 11:17am
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Last night we got to see a lot of Harden dribbling the ball for 20 seconds and then passing to some guy who had to shoot because there wasn't enough time to do anything else.  Got called for 24 second violation three times in the first half which was as much as they had in an entire game the whold season.  Warriors really had their shooters covered and let Harden go one on one a lot.  He did really well with those looks but he was wearing himself out on offense.

May 15, 2018 11:30am
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CP3 in garbage time.... 6 points and 2 rebounds in the last 80 seconds of the game when the Warriors are up 14 points.

May 15, 2018 11:31am
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trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Warriors in 5 at the most. CP0 had another classic playoff chokejob and disappearing act tonight.

His line looked just fine to me.

Sure, because he was padding his stats like crazy once the game was decided. He was a non-factor when it mattered.
May 15, 2018 11:38am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

Even if you do shut down Curry like he basically was last night you still have all kinds of problems guarding Durant and Thompson.  That is the problem with playing the Warriors.  Even if you take away one of their main weapons they have other guys who can hurt you.  Its just very difficult.  Curry's layups did hurt though.  Even though he wasn't hitting or shooting threes those layups were very high percentage shots.  And his passing to teammates was good too.  A very high IQ player that helps his team dominate.  And made Harden expend a lot of energy to get off shots against him.  What else do you want from  your point guard.  I would take him on our team any day of the week.  He may not win MVP but its his team that is walking away with the championship.  That is the kind of unselfish player that you should want instead of the ISO specialist Harden who got his points in a loss.

To each his own i guess.  Harden is as unselfish as they come too....he has led the league in assists and has been in the top 5 quite a bit..he assists more than Curry...Harden is a better scorer than Curry too and much more durable and with high bb IQ...the series isn't done yet..hanging on by a thread but not done....

May 15, 2018 11:44am
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If the Rockets lose in 4 or 5 games, it's unlikely they give CP3 a max contract. Does that make him leave them to go to Cleveland?

May 15, 2018 11:48am
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Chris Paul was bad last night no matter what the box score says, I'm sure he'd admit he was not good enough not aggressive enough. What about that game made people sure this series will be a sweep? I think the Rockets will be way better in game 2, the Warriors played about as good as they could play. Steph could have hit more shots, but they did a good job defending him too and he's also not moving super explosively. Of course, Harden can have much more of a down game he was pretty incredible last night even with Durant guarding him some of the time too. Curry has absolutely no chance on him, the Warriors definitely don't want those switches but the Rockets did a good job forcing them.

 

Ariza got some tough calls, the foul where they called him for a reach when Steph dribbled off his foot was terrible then followed with some touch fouls. Him, Tucker, Luc all can play much better. Ryan Anderson needs to hit that wide open 3 if he wants to play too because his defense is a big liability. Green needs to hustle more if he wants to play, you can't be an athletic role player and be lazy out there too. I'll pick the Rockets to win game 2.

May 15, 2018 12:22pm
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VFHS wrote:
trapp76 wrote:

VFHS wrote:

Warriors in 5 at the most. CP0 had another classic playoff chokejob and disappearing act tonight.

His line looked just fine to me.

Sure, because he was padding his stats like crazy once the game was decided. He was a non-factor when it mattered.

I love that you actually have to write posts about CP playing in the WCF. It's awesome.

May 15, 2018 12:34pm
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I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.
May 15, 2018 12:43pm
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VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

May 15, 2018 2:10pm
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

...........like Blake Griffin's will.

May 15, 2018 3:01pm
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CP3 is going to have to split his payday with Lebron James if they both decide to play with the Rockets.  Not sure Lebron would get them over the hump against the Warriors.  Him and Harden both dominate the ball too much.  They would need to change their styles and one of them would have to become a spot up shooter.  And CP3 needs the ball in his hands too.  Having three point guards and not very good supporting players isn't going to work that well.  Warriors perfect blend of passers, shooters, playmakers, and defenders that make it very difficult for a team that has most of its talent doing redundant tasks to beat them.  See OKC.  But adding James with his versatility sure would make it a lot more interesting.   Rockets do get to give it another go tomorrow.  Force turnovers, hit your threes, and play better defense and they certainly have a chance to win.

May 15, 2018 3:04pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

CP3 is going to have to split his payday with Lebron James if they both decide to play with the Rockets.  Not sure Lebron would get them over the hump against the Warriors.  Him and Harden both dominate the ball too much.  They would need to change their styles and one of them would have to become a spot up shooter.  And CP3 needs the ball in his hands too.  Having three point guards and not very good supporting players isn't going to work that well.  Warriors perfect blend of passers, shooters, playmakers, and defenders that make it very difficult for a team that has most of its talent doing redundant tasks to beat them.  See OKC.  But adding James with his versatility sure would make it a lot more interesting.   Rockets do get to give it another go tomorrow.  Force turnovers, hit your threes, and play better defense and they certainly have a chance to win.

I think there's an equal or greater likelihood of CP3 going to Cleveland. 

May 15, 2018 3:09pm
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Kirk Hinrich had the previous record of 69 playoffs games without a conference finals.

 

 

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-bulls/thanks-chris-paul-kirk-hinrich-no-longer-holds-infamous-playoff-record

 

Andre Miller played in 68 playoffs games, without reaching the conference Finals.  Because the 67 win Spurs team in 2016 didn't have Boris Diaw dominate the Thunder frontcourt in 2016, like he did in 2014.

 

 

May 15, 2018 5:19pm
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Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

To those obsessed with playoff appearances nothing really matters but rings. Everyone else is an afterthought that nobody will remember.
May 16, 2018 8:04am
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Chris always struggles against longer faster players. Does anyone here not know this? Harden always destroys bad defenders like curry. Forcing the ball through Cp when you have harden as an option is silly. Houston’s offensive numbers were fine, as were CP’s. Houston had a the near impossible task of slowing gs down. Houston’s defense cost them the game.
May 16, 2018 8:07am
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tullabye wrote:
Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

To those obsessed with playoff appearances nothing really matters but rings. Everyone else is an afterthought that nobody will remember.
Karl Malone who? John Stockton what? Charles Barkley? But I guess mark madsen is greater then them all.
May 16, 2018 8:14am
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Why are you all surprised Houston can't beat Golden State, especially when you have the refs and the league on the Warriors side...

May 16, 2018 8:30am
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Rhy1244 wrote:
tullabye wrote:
Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

To those obsessed with playoff appearances nothing really matters but rings. Everyone else is an afterthought that nobody will remember.
Karl Malone who? John Stockton what? Charles Barkley? But I guess mark madsen is greater then them all.

 

That's not what tullabye is saying either.

May 16, 2018 8:39am
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nuraman00 wrote:

Rhy1244 wrote:
tullabye wrote:
Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

To those obsessed with playoff appearances nothing really matters but rings. Everyone else is an afterthought that nobody will remember.
Karl Malone who? John Stockton what? Charles Barkley? But I guess mark madsen is greater then them all.

 

That's not what tullabye is saying either.

well if words are given their plain and ordinary meaning, tullabye basically said those who don’t win rings are an afterthought who won’t be remembered. His emphasis on rings is greatly exaggerated.
May 16, 2018 10:02am
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SamIAm19 wrote:

Why are you all surprised Houston can't beat Golden State, especially when you have the refs and the league on the Warriors side...

OK, that's hilarious. The NUMBER ONE knock on Houston is they draw fouls too much, the refs are too much on their side, and it results in massive flopping. How do the Warriors have the refs on their side for this particularly contest? No, sorry, that's bullshit. 

May 16, 2018 10:04am
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Mistwell wrote:

SamIAm19 wrote:

Why are you all surprised Houston can't beat Golden State, especially when you have the refs and the league on the Warriors side...

OK, that's hilarious. The NUMBER ONE knock on Houston is they draw fouls too much, the refs are too much on their side, and it results in massive flopping. How do the Warriors have the refs on their side for this particularly contest? No, sorry, that's bullshit. 

 

You clearly didnt watch game 1, where the Warriors characteristically got more fouls called for them than the Rockets.

May 16, 2018 10:08am
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tullabye wrote:
Mistwell wrote:

VFHS wrote:
I love that you're acting like one WCF in 13 years for the "Point God" is worth bragging about. Really says it all when even his fanboys think this way.

Well to be fair, 1 is better than 0 for that topic. A lot of careers end with 0. 

To those obsessed with playoff appearances nothing really matters but rings. Everyone else is an afterthought that nobody will remember.

LOL.

Blake lovers moving the goal posts once again.

May 16, 2018 10:25am
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Clippers1121 wrote:

CP3 is going to have to split his payday with Lebron James if they both decide to play with the Rockets. 

That's what I could see happening. 

They could figure out how to play together easily. If the Lebron version of the Heat could do it, the Rockets could certainly do it too.

Lebron would play PF on that team. Would it be enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure, but it would move them a hell of a lot closer than they are now, that's for sure.

May 16, 2018 10:34am
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trapp76 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

CP3 is going to have to split his payday with Lebron James if they both decide to play with the Rockets. 

That's what I could see happening. 

They could figure out how to play together easily. If the Lebron version of the Heat could do it, the Rockets could certainly do it too.

Lebron would play PF on that team. Would it be enough to beat the Warriors? Not sure, but it would move them a hell of a lot closer than they are now, that's for sure.

Doubt it. The more likely scenario is that Houston does not want to pay CP3 a max contract and he moves to Cleveland to be with Lebron and Love, with an easier path to the finals.