We might be behind, but we have good effort, and it will take us to the |" Promised land" I like they effort and play of team, we will win if they keep team effort up..!
I am still having majot server message problems, even while I'm in this thread... I think we still have some glitches; and its really hard to get on the forum..!
I missed the beginning of the game, did something happen to Foye? I haven't seen him in a long time and just looking at the box score he wasn't doing bad. (edit: nevermind, he's back, probably could have used him earlier in the quarter).
Our bench regressed to their normal level tonight.
Chris Webber is right... Just wait and experience the Love Clippers will get in Staples.. ! Going home, tied 1-1, I can see a 3-1 series headed back to Memphis..
1. K-Mart and Evans only playing 15 min a piece & getting killed on the glass by Memphis
2. Spotty contributions by Foye/Mo/Young
3. Vinny go with Mo over Bled late. Mayo's domination of Mo in the 4th hurt us bad.
Really frustraing to see Vinny inisisting on trying to on tryimg to outscore the Grizz with jumpshots late in the game. Seems like he learned nothing from the game 1 comeback. It was defense and rebounding that sparked the comeback Vinny! that means playing K-Mart, Reggie and Bledsoe! SMH
More of Martin and Evans? They were bad tonight and they were a big part of why were outrebounded, Evans only had 1 rebound and if he's not doing that, what does he do? His pick and roll defense was also poor. Martin has been a poor rebounder all year.
We missed Butler, we had no real answer for Gay.
Mo Williams is still a terrible defender, especially at SG.
Too much Reggie when they weren't letting the game get physical.. Memphis got home cooking.. too many turnovers.. split the road games.. not bad.. game 3, lets go.. wish it were tomorrow.
VDN is a NBA guard... Some good points and true.....We do have many hurt players..Williams hurt his elbow, Young hurt his hand. With Butler now out, we are the walking wounded. I too like more Evans and K Mart.. VDN went big for a while, with Griffin, Eveans and K Mart, but then quickly changed. Simmons did fair at SF. We are going to miss Butler.
1. K-Mart and Evans only playing 15 min a piece & getting killed on the glass by Memphis
2. Spotty contributions by Foye/Mo/Young
3. Vinny go with Mo over Bled late. Mayo's domination of Mo in the 4th hurt us bad.
Really frustraing to see Vinny inisisting on trying to on tryimg to outscore the Grizz with jumpshots late in the game. Seems like he learned nothing from the game 1 comeback. It was defense and rebounding that sparked the comeback Vinny! that means playing K-Mart, Reggie and Bledsoe! SMH
After reading this I went to the Box scores to see what tale they would tell,,,,, It was interesting..
We were hurt bad by turnovers, Clippers lost 20-12... also in rebounding Clippers lost 28-37; with Offensive rebounds the big difference 4-16. Clippers got beat in steals 7-13.. But the biggest difference was in fouls and FT shooting Clippers lost big tine 17 fouls to 29 against Clippers, FT shooting Clippers with 13-18, Griz with 31-39... Wow, 21 extra FT in adding then 18 points to Griz.... Wow Refs, that looks really bad, un fair or unequal . Double the Griz points on Refs fouls and points.. Don't like blaming refs but this looks bad after watching an evenly hard fouls on both sides.. Calling one way mostly by refs it seems, with stats confirming
These are the stats that box scores suggest is reason for the loss....I agree, that our loss is in these stats. What do you think Mr Librarian I mean Nuraman..?
Not sure if I should feel content or upset. We've been outplayed most of the series, but its still 1-1. I'm probably in between. I liked how we came out, wasn't expecting a good start like that. But then we let it fizzle and the poor rebounding and TOs killed us. They got some calls for sure, but we still should have played better.
DJ is still as dumb as a rock (although he started the game really well). We need some contributions from others and some more penetrate and kick (VINNY STILL DON'T GET IT...?) to open up 3s for Foye/Mo/Young/Simmons. The defense is pretty lousy too. Just got to clean up the sloppiness.
It'll be interesting how coming home changes the series. We'll have a better idea then. We need both games and its crucial we keep our foot on the pedal for both games.
Not sure if I should feel content or upset. We've been outplayed most of the series, but its still 1-1. I'm probably in between. I liked how we came out, wasn't expecting a good start like that. But then we let it fizzle and the poor rebounding and TOs killed us. They got some calls for sure, but we still should have played better.
DJ is still as dumb as a rock (although he started the game really well). We need some contributions from others and some more penetrate and kick (VINNY STILL DON'T GET IT...?) to open up 3s for Foye/Mo/Young/Simmons. The defense is pretty lousy too. Just got to clean up the sloppiness.
It'll be interesting how coming home changes the series. We'll have a better idea then. We need both games and its crucial we keep our foot on the pedal for both games.
Gave you a Karma for that one... I really liked your " Not sure if I should feel content or upset" comment... Even though we lost, we really gave good effort and looked like a good team...Way too many mistakes for us, and problems mentioned by many posters... But I don't feel bad either, because we showed ourselves well, and it's our firt playoff loss...And there will be more.. Hopefully it's the last loss of this series... Clippers win in 5...
I also liked your " coming home changes the series".. Griz have been playing with the Love of Griz fans, now lets eee now how Griz play with Clipper Love shaking the floor. I might even suggest a Clippers game #3 Blowout baby !
1. K-Mart and Evans only playing 15 min a piece & getting killed on the glass by Memphis
2. Spotty contributions by Foye/Mo/Young
3. Vinny go with Mo over Bled late. Mayo's domination of Mo in the 4th hurt us bad.
Really frustraing to see Vinny inisisting on trying to on tryimg to outscore the Grizz with jumpshots late in the game. Seems like he learned nothing from the game 1 comeback. It was defense and rebounding that sparked the comeback Vinny! that means playing K-Mart, Reggie and Bledsoe! SMH
After reading this I went to the Box scores to see what tale they would tell,,,,, It was interesting..
We were hurt bad by turnovers, Clippers lost 20-12... also in rebounding Clippers lost 28-37; with Offensive rebounds the big difference 4-16. Clippers got beat in steals 7-13.. But the biggest difference was in fouls and FT shooting Clippers lost big tine 17 fouls to 29 against Clippers, FT shooting Clippers with 13-18, Griz with 31-39... Wow, 21 extra FT in adding then 18 points to Griz.... Wow Refs, that looks really bad, un fair or unequal . Double the Griz points on Refs fouls and points.. Don't like blaming refs but this looks bad after watching an evenly hard fouls on both sides.. Calling one way mostly by refs it seems, with stats confirming
These are the stats that box scores suggest is reason for the loss....I agree, that our loss is in these stats. What do you think Mr Librarian I mean Nuraman..?
Yes, too many turnovers (20) and inability to box out allowing too many Memphis offensive rebounds (Memphis 16, Clippers 4) and therefore second chances to score. Additionally, no one could guard Rudy Gay. Randy Foye has completely disappeared in this series so far. Plus, when your $10 million starting center is only playing half the game....there is a problem there. Finally, although I love Blake, he has been only average in this series so far. He is not dominating at either end of the floor just yet.
Yes, too many turnovers (20) and inability to box out allowing too many Memphis offensive rebounds (Memphis 16, Clippers 4) and therefore second chances to score. Additionally, no one could guard Rudy Gay. Randy Foye has completely disappeared in this series so far. Plus, when your $10 million starting center is only playing half the game....there is a problem there. Finally, although I love Blake, he has been only average in this series so far. He is not dominating at either end of the floor just yet.
I'm seen a few negatives comment about Jordan, but he did fine last night. He was our best rebounder, blocked shots, scored some points and we outscored Memphis when he was on the floor. He only had one foul, he really should have played more. Foye played much better defense against Mayo than Williams and probably should have played more too. Young seemed to lack the strength needed to defend Gay, might need to try something different there, but all our options are pretty bad (more Martin at SF might be ok on defense against Gay, but I worry about our offense in that setup).
The Grizzlies are elite team at both forcing turnovers and offensive rebounding, so struggling in those areas isn't too surprising. A split on the road is still a good result for us though.
I missed the beginning of the game, did something happen to Foye? I haven't seen him in a long time and just looking at the box score he wasn't doing bad. (edit: nevermind, he's back, probably could have used him earlier in the quarter).
Our bench regressed to their normal level tonight.
1. K-Mart and Evans only playing 15 min a piece & getting killed on the glass by Memphis
2. Spotty contributions by Foye/Mo/Young
3. Vinny go with Mo over Bled late. Mayo's domination of Mo in the 4th hurt us bad.
Really frustraing to see Vinny inisisting on trying to on tryimg to outscore the Grizz with jumpshots late in the game. Seems like he learned nothing from the game 1 comeback. It was defense and rebounding that sparked the comeback Vinny! that means playing K-Mart, Reggie and Bledsoe! SMH
mannycoon wrote:
More of Martin and Evans? They were bad tonight and they were a big part of why were outrebounded, Evans only had 1 rebound and if he's not doing that, what does he do? His pick and roll defense was also poor. Martin has been a poor rebounder all year.
We missed Butler, we had no real answer for Gay.
Mo Williams is still a terrible defender, especially at SG.
The Grizzlies were taking more shots in the paint, while the Clippers were shooting more jump shots, or shots from a greater distance. You're less likely to get fouled from out there.
Also, since the Grizzlies had more defensive rebounds and offensive rebound, as well as the 21 turnovers by the Clippers, the Grizzlies had more opportunities to shoot the ball, and thus get more foul calls.
Out of the 8 extra FGAs, some of them probably resulted in and-ones. Same with the fastbreak points, of which the Clippers had 6 to the Grizzlies 20. Some of them probably resulted in and-ones, or resulted in the Clippers being in a bad defensive position, and thus needing to foul.
Jordan is a good help defender, but is can't guard his man (gasol) and isn't as good at guarding the pick and roll.
Mike Smith said it in a radio interview, Jordan can't guard Gasol.
That doesn't mean Evans or Martin can either, let's see how they do.
I wonder if all else fails, if Griffin could be the best Gasol defender.
For as much as Jordan can't guard Gasol, Gasol hasn't exactly gone off on us. He only has 20 points combined in two games, right now I don't think he needs to be our main concern . Gay, Conley and Mayo have been much bigger problems, especially Gay and Gay is a guy that likes to take the ball to the basket, where we could use some help defense.
Obviously in game 1, Jordan was mediocre and Evans had a great game, but game 2, all our bigs played more like during the regular season, and we were most successful with Jordan on the floor. Evans is a likeable player and his execution if fine, but sometimes his physical limitation just catch up with him. Over the course of the season opposing teams had an eFG% of about 48% when Jordan or Martin was on the floor, but 54% when Evans was out there. Our perimeter defenders aren't good enough to shut teams down defensively without a good help defender. Martin is best defender of the group, but he's also a poor rebounder and offensive player, and it might also be worth giving him spot minutes at SF to defend Gay.
Jordan is also by far the best offensive player of the Evans/Martin/Jordan group and sometimes if you can't shut down another team, outscoring them will work (and in general that was the main way we won games this year, having an awesome offense).
The Grizzlies were taking more shots in the paint, while the Clippers were shooting more jump shots, or shots from a greater distance. You're less likely to get fouled from out there.
Also, since the Grizzlies had more defensive rebounds and offensive rebound, as well as the 21 turnovers by the Clippers, the Grizzlies had more opportunities to shoot the ball, and thus get more foul calls.
Out of the 8 extra FGAs, some of them probably resulted in and-ones. Same with the fastbreak points, of which the Clippers had 6 to the Grizzlies 20. Some of them probably resulted in and-ones, or resulted in the Clippers being in a bad defensive position, and thus needing to foul.
If we get into the second round, my wine collection will certainly suffer a hit. Meet the Lakers in the WCF and I'll definitely reach for the once-every-few-years kind of reserve.
Thanks, I had misspelled "vielle", I couldn't read it properly due to the font on the bottle.
Even it's not the Lakers in the WCF, but if it's the Thunder or Mavs, reach for that reserve wine anyways.
I also think it will take a lot of wine, to beat the Spurs in the 2nd round. Or even win two games.
The Grizzlies were taking more shots in the paint, while the Clippers were shooting more jump shots, or shots from a greater distance. You're less likely to get fouled from out there.
Also, since the Grizzlies had more defensive rebounds and offensive rebound, as well as the 21 turnovers by the Clippers, the Grizzlies had more opportunities to shoot the ball, and thus get more foul calls.
Out of the 8 extra FGAs, some of them probably resulted in and-ones. Same with the fastbreak points, of which the Clippers had 6 to the Grizzlies 20. Some of them probably resulted in and-ones, or resulted in the Clippers being in a bad defensive position, and thus needing to foul.
Chris Paul has had a lot of fouls both games, which is out of the ordinary for him, my guess is he'll get it worked out though, but Conley had a done a great job of going at him aggressively. In general, our perimeter players had a lot of fouls last game and we also seemed to get in the penalty early at least a few quarters, this is something we should be able to correct, although both Simmons and Young foul a lot compared to Butler (and Foye). Bledsoe and Evans also foul a lot, so we might want to be careful with how we set up our lineup if we are have foul problems.
I also think it will take a lot of wine, to beat the Spurs in the 2nd round. Or even win two games.
I actually I think Memphis is a tougher opponent for us than the Spurs. Not saying Memphis is a better team than the Spurs -- I think the Spurs would beat Memphis in seven games -- just saying the matchups are better for us against the Spurs. I don't really have time to explain the details of my thinking, I need to get ready to go to the airport, but simply speaking, DJ is less of a weak link for us against the Spurs than he is against Memphis. (Also, Bynum routinely eats up DJ as a snack and spits out the seeds, but that's another subject.)
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Down by 4 at half.. Hanging in there tough; I think we have a chance to go up 2 - 0 going back to Staples. Go Clipprs..!
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Certainly feels like it could happen.
Clips look like they're starting to get more comfortable...
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Little Karma for your work,,, keep it up..!
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Chris Paul DJ dunk AND ONE to just shut everyone in the building up....
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We might be behind, but we have good effort, and it will take us to the |" Promised land" I like they effort and play of team, we will win if they keep team effort up..!
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offensive rebounds are sooooooo frustrating to watch
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I am still having majot server message problems, even while I'm in this thread... I think we still have some glitches; and its really hard to get on the forum..!
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reggie evans clutch.
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Big Money Big Money no whammy.... 8 minutes to go....
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Not looking real good, we are missing our shots...!
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I missed the beginning of the game, did something happen to Foye? I haven't seen him in a long time and just looking at the box score he wasn't doing bad. (edit: nevermind, he's back, probably could have used him earlier in the quarter).
Our bench regressed to their normal level tonight.
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*proceedes to miss huge three.
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Foye has not been on... Young has been spotty, CP3 has been deadly... Simmons has been looking good.
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Hard to be "on" when you never see the ball.
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Why does it look to me like the Refs are helping the Griz with fouls...? Way to big a FT difference, and Griz are rougher, yet fewer calls.
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Chris Webber is right... Just wait and experience the Love Clippers will get in Staples.. ! Going home, tied 1-1, I can see a 3-1 series headed back to Memphis..
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Top 3 reason why we lost the game:
1. K-Mart and Evans only playing 15 min a piece & getting killed on the glass by Memphis
2. Spotty contributions by Foye/Mo/Young
3. Vinny go with Mo over Bled late. Mayo's domination of Mo in the 4th hurt us bad.
Really frustraing to see Vinny inisisting on trying to on tryimg to outscore the Grizz with jumpshots late in the game. Seems like he learned nothing from the game 1 comeback. It was defense and rebounding that sparked the comeback Vinny! that means playing K-Mart, Reggie and Bledsoe! SMH
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More of Martin and Evans? They were bad tonight and they were a big part of why were outrebounded, Evans only had 1 rebound and if he's not doing that, what does he do? His pick and roll defense was also poor. Martin has been a poor rebounder all year.
We missed Butler, we had no real answer for Gay.
Mo Williams is still a terrible defender, especially at SG.
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Too much Reggie when they weren't letting the game get physical.. Memphis got home cooking.. too many turnovers.. split the road games.. not bad.. game 3, lets go.. wish it were tomorrow.
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VDN is a NBA guard... Some good points and true.....We do have many hurt players..Williams hurt his elbow, Young hurt his hand. With Butler now out, we are the walking wounded. I too like more Evans and K Mart.. VDN went big for a while, with Griffin, Eveans and K Mart, but then quickly changed. Simmons did fair at SF. We are going to miss Butler.
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totally, some of those calls at the end of the third quarter were downright embarrassing for them.
Back to Staples where it will be mayhem.
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I couldn't get on the board during the game, so that's why I didn't post. Really frustrating turnovers.
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After reading this I went to the Box scores to see what tale they would tell,,,,, It was interesting..
We were hurt bad by turnovers, Clippers lost 20-12... also in rebounding Clippers lost 28-37; with Offensive rebounds the big difference 4-16. Clippers got beat in steals 7-13.. But the biggest difference was in fouls and FT shooting Clippers lost big tine 17 fouls to 29 against Clippers, FT shooting Clippers with 13-18, Griz with 31-39... Wow, 21 extra FT in adding then 18 points to Griz.... Wow Refs, that looks really bad, un fair or unequal . Double the Griz points on Refs fouls and points.. Don't like blaming refs but this looks bad after watching an evenly hard fouls on both sides.. Calling one way mostly by refs it seems, with stats confirming
These are the stats that box scores suggest is reason for the loss....I agree, that our loss is in these stats. What do you think Mr Librarian I mean Nuraman..?
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Not sure if I should feel content or upset. We've been outplayed most of the series, but its still 1-1. I'm probably in between. I liked how we came out, wasn't expecting a good start like that. But then we let it fizzle and the poor rebounding and TOs killed us. They got some calls for sure, but we still should have played better.
DJ is still as dumb as a rock (although he started the game really well). We need some contributions from others and some more penetrate and kick (VINNY STILL DON'T GET IT...?) to open up 3s for Foye/Mo/Young/Simmons. The defense is pretty lousy too. Just got to clean up the sloppiness.
It'll be interesting how coming home changes the series. We'll have a better idea then. We need both games and its crucial we keep our foot on the pedal for both games.
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Gave you a Karma for that one... I really liked your " Not sure if I should feel content or upset" comment... Even though we lost, we really gave good effort and looked like a good team...Way too many mistakes for us, and problems mentioned by many posters... But I don't feel bad either, because we showed ourselves well, and it's our firt playoff loss...And there will be more.. Hopefully it's the last loss of this series... Clippers win in 5...
I also liked your " coming home changes the series".. Griz have been playing with the Love of Griz fans, now lets eee now how Griz play with Clipper Love shaking the floor. I might even suggest a Clippers game #3 Blowout baby !
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Yes, too many turnovers (20) and inability to box out allowing too many Memphis offensive rebounds (Memphis 16, Clippers 4) and therefore second chances to score. Additionally, no one could guard Rudy Gay. Randy Foye has completely disappeared in this series so far. Plus, when your $10 million starting center is only playing half the game....there is a problem there. Finally, although I love Blake, he has been only average in this series so far. He is not dominating at either end of the floor just yet.
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I'm seen a few negatives comment about Jordan, but he did fine last night. He was our best rebounder, blocked shots, scored some points and we outscored Memphis when he was on the floor. He only had one foul, he really should have played more. Foye played much better defense against Mayo than Williams and probably should have played more too. Young seemed to lack the strength needed to defend Gay, might need to try something different there, but all our options are pretty bad (more Martin at SF might be ok on defense against Gay, but I worry about our offense in that setup).
The Grizzlies are elite team at both forcing turnovers and offensive rebounding, so struggling in those areas isn't too surprising. A split on the road is still a good result for us though.
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Jordan is a good help defender, but is can't guard his man (gasol) and isn't as good at guarding the pick and roll.
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mannycoon posted live and I missed it.
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Different opinons on the same game, lol.
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Mike Smith said it in a radio interview, Jordan can't guard Gasol.
That doesn't mean Evans or Martin can either, let's see how they do.
I wonder if all else fails, if Griffin could be the best Gasol defender.
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The Grizzlies were taking more shots in the paint, while the Clippers were shooting more jump shots, or shots from a greater distance. You're less likely to get fouled from out there.
Also, since the Grizzlies had more defensive rebounds and offensive rebound, as well as the 21 turnovers by the Clippers, the Grizzlies had more opportunities to shoot the ball, and thus get more foul calls.
Out of the 8 extra FGAs, some of them probably resulted in and-ones. Same with the fastbreak points, of which the Clippers had 6 to the Grizzlies 20. Some of them probably resulted in and-ones, or resulted in the Clippers being in a bad defensive position, and thus needing to foul.
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(erroneous post)
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For as much as Jordan can't guard Gasol, Gasol hasn't exactly gone off on us. He only has 20 points combined in two games, right now I don't think he needs to be our main concern . Gay, Conley and Mayo have been much bigger problems, especially Gay and Gay is a guy that likes to take the ball to the basket, where we could use some help defense.
Obviously in game 1, Jordan was mediocre and Evans had a great game, but game 2, all our bigs played more like during the regular season, and we were most successful with Jordan on the floor. Evans is a likeable player and his execution if fine, but sometimes his physical limitation just catch up with him. Over the course of the season opposing teams had an eFG% of about 48% when Jordan or Martin was on the floor, but 54% when Evans was out there. Our perimeter defenders aren't good enough to shut teams down defensively without a good help defender. Martin is best defender of the group, but he's also a poor rebounder and offensive player, and it might also be worth giving him spot minutes at SF to defend Gay.
Jordan is also by far the best offensive player of the Evans/Martin/Jordan group and sometimes if you can't shut down another team, outscoring them will work (and in general that was the main way we won games this year, having an awesome offense).
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Thanks, I had misspelled "vielle", I couldn't read it properly due to the font on the bottle.
Even it's not the Lakers in the WCF, but if it's the Thunder or Mavs, reach for that reserve wine anyways.
I also think it will take a lot of wine, to beat the Spurs in the 2nd round. Or even win two games.
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Chris Paul has had a lot of fouls both games, which is out of the ordinary for him, my guess is he'll get it worked out though, but Conley had a done a great job of going at him aggressively. In general, our perimeter players had a lot of fouls last game and we also seemed to get in the penalty early at least a few quarters, this is something we should be able to correct, although both Simmons and Young foul a lot compared to Butler (and Foye). Bledsoe and Evans also foul a lot, so we might want to be careful with how we set up our lineup if we are have foul problems.
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I actually I think Memphis is a tougher opponent for us than the Spurs. Not saying Memphis is a better team than the Spurs -- I think the Spurs would beat Memphis in seven games -- just saying the matchups are better for us against the Spurs. I don't really have time to explain the details of my thinking, I need to get ready to go to the airport, but simply speaking, DJ is less of a weak link for us against the Spurs than he is against Memphis. (Also, Bynum routinely eats up DJ as a snack and spits out the seeds, but that's another subject.)