VDN will get some votes if The Clippers can win The Pacific Division. We are pretty much 2 Games behind The Lakers (since The Lakers have the tie-break).
No, but CP3 should get MVP votes. There's too much talent on this team for us not to make the playoffs. 4th seed meets expectation. I agree w/ Haro that if we win the Pacific, VDN.
I think I would go Popovich, Thibedeau, and even Brown before I went with Vinny. We have a lot of talent and met expectations. These other guys have done better.
Brown has no talent? The Lakers have three 20+ PER players (two of them in their prime), and until Kobe's recent injury, all three of them barely missed any time. Then they traded for Ramon Sessions after that. They have plenty of talent.
Agree on the Spurs and Bulls though............Rose missed a ton of games this year, and everyone thought the Spurs were going to be too old. Good job by both coaches there.
Brown has done a really nice job with the Lakers. He has gotten more out of Bynum than Phil Jackson ever did. He has gotten a lot out of World Peace. He has taken a bench that is terrible and molded it into something that is somewhat productive. He survived his best player being out for two weeks. He integrated Sessions into the offense really quickly and pretty seamlessly helped Kupchak get rid of the aging and ineffective Derek Fisher. He survived losing sixth man of the year Lamar Odom and even did better without him.
If I were a Laker fan I would be very happy with the job this guy has done. I think he has done more with less than Del Negro. I think most Clipper fans would have and did say we had much more talent and youth than the aging Lakers. Yet they are still sitting with a better record. And they won the season series from us fair and square. Great job by Brown and the Lakers team. Now let's hope they lose two or three and we beat them out of the division title.
Metta World Peace has a 10 PER this season. Not good.
Bynum had an increase in production, but he's also 24 years old, so he's going to get better every year during this part of his career, and this is the first time that he has ever stayed healthy through an entire season (Phil Jackson never had that luxury).
The one thing I will give him credit for is the team going 4-1 without Kobe, that is impressive. But other than that, he hasn't done anything that notable. He has lots of talent, and his teams record reflects that.............just like VDN.
Brown already has won a coach of the year award with the Cavs. You think his coaching has regressed or do you think that was all Lebron? I think he is a good coach. I don't think VDN would get nearly that many wins if he were coaching the Lakers. And Brown probably would have gotten us five more wins against some of the bad teams that we managed to lose to. Brown wins with sound strategy and sound defense and good players. Del Negro wins because he has Chris Paul as his point guard and a lot of other good players. We lost to a lot of teams that we should have beaten this year and a lot of games were much closer than they should have been. We underachieved and that got masked to a certain extent by Paul pulling out games late and getting them in the win column when they should have been losses. VDN is about average as a coach. Brown is quite a bit above average.
I think Brown is just like VDN........his record is a reflection of the talent he has on his team for the most part.
The Lakers didn't overachieve this season, and the Clippers didn't underachieve. Both of them are right where they are supposed to be when you look at the talent on their rosters and injuries (the Lakers had none until Kobe missed a handful of games recently, the Clippers lost Chauncey for the entire season in early Feb, played a handful of games without Paul, they didn't have K-Mart for the first part of the season, Bledsoe missed the first month or so and they played 10+ games without Mo). The 3 seed is just about where the Lakers should be. The 4th seed is just about where the Clippers should be. A seperation of 1 game sounds about right.
Both teams have lost to teams they shouldn't have, and both teams have beaten teams they shouldn't have.
Brown isn't as good of a coach as you think he is. VDN is a better coach than you think he is. Neither guy is that remarkable. They're both ok. Not bad, but not great.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I think Clippers have much more talent and hopefully that will be proved in the playoffs despite us having a less competent coach. I would think that Brown will get more votes for COY than Del Negro. Plus, Brown already won COY. How can you say a guy who has won the top award isn't better than somebody who relies on Chris Paul to win every close game for him? You take Paul away and we would not have made the playoffs this year even with better talent than some of the teams that are going to make it.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I think Clippers have much more talent and hopefully that will be proved in the playoffs despite us having a less competent coach. I would think that Brown will get more votes for COY than Del Negro. Plus, Brown already won COY. How can you say a guy who has won the top award isn't better than somebody who relies on Chris Paul to win every close game for him? You take Paul away and we would not have made the playoffs this year even with better talent than some of the teams that are going to make it.
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I think Lakers have a better top 3, but the rest of our roster is much better. Also think Brown has gotten more out of his players than Vinny has for ours. Records reflect it. I think we'd be close to the Spurs record if we had an elite level coach. But obviously they don't grow on trees and we're fortunate I suppose, as things could be worse. CP3 has saved VDNs behind countless times.
The Clippers do have more talent when healthy, but thats been offset by injuries.
You have to remember, the Lakers have had ZERO significant injuries all season up till the Kobe injury five games ago. That's why I think you're giving Brown too much credit, and not giving VDN enough.
Brown won coach of the year because of Lebron. This is the first season that VDN got to coach that caliber of player. A rookie Derrick Rose and a rookie Blake Griffin don't count.
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VDN will get some votes if The Clippers can win The Pacific Division. We are pretty much 2 Games behind The Lakers (since The Lakers have the tie-break).
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No, but CP3 should get MVP votes. There's too much talent on this team for us not to make the playoffs. 4th seed meets expectation. I agree w/ Haro that if we win the Pacific, VDN.
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and dare I say, Olshey is more likely for GM of the year.
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I think I would go Popovich, Thibedeau, and even Brown before I went with Vinny. We have a lot of talent and met expectations. These other guys have done better.
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Brown has no talent? The Lakers have three 20+ PER players (two of them in their prime), and until Kobe's recent injury, all three of them barely missed any time. Then they traded for Ramon Sessions after that. They have plenty of talent.
Agree on the Spurs and Bulls though............Rose missed a ton of games this year, and everyone thought the Spurs were going to be too old. Good job by both coaches there.
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Brown has done a really nice job with the Lakers. He has gotten more out of Bynum than Phil Jackson ever did. He has gotten a lot out of World Peace. He has taken a bench that is terrible and molded it into something that is somewhat productive. He survived his best player being out for two weeks. He integrated Sessions into the offense really quickly and pretty seamlessly helped Kupchak get rid of the aging and ineffective Derek Fisher. He survived losing sixth man of the year Lamar Odom and even did better without him.
If I were a Laker fan I would be very happy with the job this guy has done. I think he has done more with less than Del Negro. I think most Clipper fans would have and did say we had much more talent and youth than the aging Lakers. Yet they are still sitting with a better record. And they won the season series from us fair and square. Great job by Brown and the Lakers team. Now let's hope they lose two or three and we beat them out of the division title.
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Metta World Peace has a 10 PER this season. Not good.
Bynum had an increase in production, but he's also 24 years old, so he's going to get better every year during this part of his career, and this is the first time that he has ever stayed healthy through an entire season (Phil Jackson never had that luxury).
The one thing I will give him credit for is the team going 4-1 without Kobe, that is impressive. But other than that, he hasn't done anything that notable. He has lots of talent, and his teams record reflects that.............just like VDN.
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Brown already has won a coach of the year award with the Cavs. You think his coaching has regressed or do you think that was all Lebron? I think he is a good coach. I don't think VDN would get nearly that many wins if he were coaching the Lakers. And Brown probably would have gotten us five more wins against some of the bad teams that we managed to lose to. Brown wins with sound strategy and sound defense and good players. Del Negro wins because he has Chris Paul as his point guard and a lot of other good players. We lost to a lot of teams that we should have beaten this year and a lot of games were much closer than they should have been. We underachieved and that got masked to a certain extent by Paul pulling out games late and getting them in the win column when they should have been losses. VDN is about average as a coach. Brown is quite a bit above average.
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I think Brown is just like VDN........his record is a reflection of the talent he has on his team for the most part.
The Lakers didn't overachieve this season, and the Clippers didn't underachieve. Both of them are right where they are supposed to be when you look at the talent on their rosters and injuries (the Lakers had none until Kobe missed a handful of games recently, the Clippers lost Chauncey for the entire season in early Feb, played a handful of games without Paul, they didn't have K-Mart for the first part of the season, Bledsoe missed the first month or so and they played 10+ games without Mo). The 3 seed is just about where the Lakers should be. The 4th seed is just about where the Clippers should be. A seperation of 1 game sounds about right.
Both teams have lost to teams they shouldn't have, and both teams have beaten teams they shouldn't have.
Brown isn't as good of a coach as you think he is. VDN is a better coach than you think he is. Neither guy is that remarkable. They're both ok. Not bad, but not great.
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I guess we can agree to disagree on this. I think Clippers have much more talent and hopefully that will be proved in the playoffs despite us having a less competent coach. I would think that Brown will get more votes for COY than Del Negro. Plus, Brown already won COY. How can you say a guy who has won the top award isn't better than somebody who relies on Chris Paul to win every close game for him? You take Paul away and we would not have made the playoffs this year even with better talent than some of the teams that are going to make it.
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Agree with all your posts, Clippers1121.
I think Lakers have a better top 3, but the rest of our roster is much better. Also think Brown has gotten more out of his players than Vinny has for ours. Records reflect it. I think we'd be close to the Spurs record if we had an elite level coach. But obviously they don't grow on trees and we're fortunate I suppose, as things could be worse. CP3 has saved VDNs behind countless times.
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The Clippers do have more talent when healthy, but thats been offset by injuries.
You have to remember, the Lakers have had ZERO significant injuries all season up till the Kobe injury five games ago. That's why I think you're giving Brown too much credit, and not giving VDN enough.
Brown won coach of the year because of Lebron. This is the first season that VDN got to coach that caliber of player. A rookie Derrick Rose and a rookie Blake Griffin don't count.