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Jul 9, 2018 2:01pm
Mistwell
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Agreed

Jul 9, 2018 2:11pm
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Watch SGA at the beginning of the clip put a guy on his back with the Harden step back move. Pushoff?

Jul 9, 2018 2:28pm
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babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

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Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

I agree, just no room for him on the roster unless we make a multi player trade to free up spots later. I still think Milos probably gets cut as well if we can't trade him before 7/15. They probably want to open up minutes for SGA.

Yeah Milos and Williams are gone...but we should at least try to trade them for some 2nd rd picks. I think we have to cut Milos by next week.

Yep, his contract guarantees on 7/15.

Looking at the roster construction currently, I think barring a trade, we are either gonna keep Milos or keep Evans, we won't keep both. One of them will get cut along with Williams.

Then we will use the 15th and final roster spot to bring back Harrell.

Final 15 would look like this:

PG: Bradley, SGA, (Milos or Evans)
SG: Beverley, Williams, Robinson
SF: Harris, Johnson, Dekker, Thornwell
PF: Gallinari, Harrell, Scott
C:  Gortat, Marjanovic

 

If we make a Kawhi trade or something big like that, it could totally change things up, but who knows if that will happen.

We are probably looking at another 40-45 win season with that team, similar to last season depending on the health of guys like Bradley, Gallo and Beverley (always shaky) and depending on what moves we make at the trade deadline (ie how many of our vets we sell off for picks). We should be on the fringe for the 8 spot again.

What I find laughable is we would keep a guy like Wes Johnson to the detriment of Ty Wallace.  I could give a shit about keeping him for some hypothetical trade where it's 100-1 shot we need his salary for matching purposes. Cut the guy and sign/match Wallace. Period.

They play different positions, Wallace is a SG, of which we already have a ton of guys who can play SG (Bradley, Beverley, Lou, Robinson, SGA, Thornwell). Wes is a true SF who is big enough to even play some stretch 4 sometimes. 

As a pure asset, yes you would think Wallace would have a lot more value, but our roster is so stacked already with guys who can play SG that another SG is the last thing we need. It is literally the deepest position on our team by a mile and there are only 15 roster spots. Wallace got minutes last season but now Beverley and Bradley are both back healthy and we drafted two additional guards in the first round. There just isn't any room for him.

Jul 9, 2018 2:33pm
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Wallace could play backup SF better than Johnson, even given he'd be playing woefully out of position. 

Jul 9, 2018 3:13pm
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Wallace could play backup SF better than Johnson, even given he'd be playing woefully out of position. 

Maybe, but I don't think the front office is going to see it that way. Wallace does have a large enough wingspan (6'10") where he could possibly play SF, but Wes beats that by 3 inches (7'1"). Personally, I would keep Wallace too, but we will see.

Jul 9, 2018 3:52pm
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Well, with Luc Mbah a Moute, I guess we have our answer. 

Jul 9, 2018 6:01pm
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trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Wallace could play backup SF better than Johnson, even given he'd be playing woefully out of position. 

Maybe, but I don't think the front office is going to see it that way. Wallace does have a large enough wingspan (6'10") where he could possibly play SF, but Wes beats that by 3 inches (7'1"). Personally, I would keep Wallace too, but we will see.

wes sucks and wallace doesnt. seems pretty easy to me. The front office needs to figure it out. trade milos and cut williams and dekker

Jul 9, 2018 10:04pm
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We got something with Shai


Thornwell is playing like sh*t in this game

Jul 9, 2018 11:13pm
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Jul 9, 2018 11:16pm
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Jul 9, 2018 11:50pm
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But has SGA won over Mistwell yet?

Jul 10, 2018 12:12am
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Shai could turn out to be really special. Give him a few years and he'll be ready to do his thing on offense while playing 3-4 positions on defense. I wouldn't have loved just taking a straight PG prospect, but because he's so versatile he's just a basketball player who can play anywhere with anybody. 

Jul 10, 2018 1:35am
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G-Alexander looks pretty good. 

Jul 10, 2018 3:09am
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Jul 10, 2018 6:37am
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Dyce wrote:

But has SGA won over Mistwell yet?

Not yet

Jul 10, 2018 7:15am
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Like I said... Shai will have everyone saying "CPWho?" in a few years. He and Doncic are the point guards of the future.

Jul 10, 2018 7:40am
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J-Rob did struggle a bit, but boy he can play as well. He can pass, shoot, create and drive to the basket.... 

Jul 10, 2018 8:02am
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Thornwell was not looking good

Jul 10, 2018 8:31am
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Thornwell should be embarrassed and benched for awhile for that shit game. Totally inexcusable to play like an octopus on crack. He was fucking flailing and and chucking like nobody's business last night.

Jul 10, 2018 9:18am
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Nobody could hit a jump shot on our team for almost the whole game.  Most of our points were layups in the paint.  Very disappointing game.  SGA put up great numbers but most of those numbers were driving past undersized guards who are not going to make an NBA roster.  His outside shooting was not good.  His floor vision and playmaking looked pretty good.  Problem with these games is he does not get assists when his teammates miss wide open shots.  Like they were last night.  Thornwell did play like crap as stated by other posters.  This guy Vince Hunter played really hard and had a nice game.  Too bad he is undersized for a forward.  We could use a tough guy like him who isn't afraid of getting physical.  Jerome looked like he has some athleticism and could be a useful player if he can hit his shots.  Way too inconsistent last night.  Hit some tough shots but missed a lot of easy ones under the basket.  He needs to learn how to finish better when he is under the basket.

Jul 10, 2018 9:50am
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It's only summer league, but it's hard not to think the SGA pick is going to turn out very nicely for us.

Jury is still out on Robinson.

Jul 10, 2018 9:54am
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trapp76 wrote:

It's only summer league, but it's hard not to think the SGA pick is going to turn out very nicely for us.

Jury is still out on Robinson.

Jerome will be fine. He just needs to get his feet wet.

Jul 10, 2018 10:28am
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Jerome was supposed to be the older and more polished player of our two picks, so far that hasn't been the case, but its only a few unimportant summer league games.

Jul 10, 2018 11:25am
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These guys (Thornwell, SGA, and Robinson) all have proved one thing in summer league.  And that is that they all need to become better players so they can win some games.  Especially the outside shooting.  I hope they take these games as the comeuppance that they are.  You may be great in college but it does not mean crap when you are playing against grown men with both skills and experience.  These guys really need to put in the work this summer to get better.  I was hoping we would win summer league this year.  But we are not even close to being as good as the Rockets scrubs that they threw out there.  Thank goodness Hunter had a good game.  Otherwise we lose by more than 20.

Jul 10, 2018 11:29am
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SGA is second in scoring among the 2018 draft picks and he is only 19 years old (20 on Thursday). He has some potential, although I was hoping he would show more passing.

Jul 10, 2018 11:35am
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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

SGA is second in scoring among the 2018 draft picks and he is only 19 years old (20 on Thursday). He has some potential, although I was hoping he would show more passing.

He's passing. But he's passing to people who miss open shots. 

Jul 10, 2018 11:38am
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babyradar01 wrote:

Thornwell should be embarrassed and benched for awhile for that shit game. Totally inexcusable to play like an octopus on crack. He was fucking flailing and and chucking like nobody's business last night.

LMFAO. This post had me dying.

Jul 10, 2018 1:17pm
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Jerome, being an older rookie doesn't seem to be putting his stamp on his game enough. He could take a little while to develop. I think he can probably hang in for a few minutes a game to start, but I don't see him doing too much for us this year. Shai on the other hand has a good chance to be involved from day one. I think we will make space for him if we have to.

Jul 10, 2018 1:31pm
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Best rookies 21 or older who played 1000 minutes their rookie year:

 

http://bkref.com/tiny/E3i7Y

 

Worst rookies:

 

http://bkref.com/tiny/KwVUJ

Jul 10, 2018 2:40pm
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At least Jerome hasn't been bad, he's just been slightly quiet. I'd be more worried about Trae who looks like he doesn't belong.

Jul 10, 2018 3:37pm
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VFHS wrote:

Like I said... Shai will have everyone saying "CPWho?" in a few years. He and Doncic are the point guards of the future.

I'm definitely on board. We have a bunch of b-level talent so we can use Shai to be our stud of the future. Jerry is good at finding talent out of nowhere like Curry, Klay, and Dreymond(Harrison Barnes was also a useful player for them). Maybe in few years, the Clippers might have themselves a superteam built from the draft.

Jul 10, 2018 5:41pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

At least Jerome hasn't been bad, he's just been slightly quiet. I'd be more worried about Trae who looks like he doesn't belong.

 

That's a change in stance, from this post in December.  
 

smiley

 

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

All you team tank people who want to follow in the Lakers footsteps, look at how pathetic that team is. They have a worst record this year at this point than they did last year, and they've been tanking for how many years now? How many years have they been saying "Next year the best free agents will want to come play with all these awesome young studs!" and how many years has that not happened in a row now? 

 

Getting beat in 3 by the Rockets would be way cooler than having Trae Young next year. Who needs a guy averaging 30/10 as a freshman, I'm sure Robert Williams will be the missing piece to the 7th seed

Jul 10, 2018 6:50pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

At least Jerome hasn't been bad, he's just been slightly quiet. I'd be more worried about Trae who looks like he doesn't belong.

 

That's a change in stance, from this post in December.  
 

smiley

 

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

All you team tank people who want to follow in the Lakers footsteps, look at how pathetic that team is. They have a worst record this year at this point than they did last year, and they've been tanking for how many years now? How many years have they been saying "Next year the best free agents will want to come play with all these awesome young studs!" and how many years has that not happened in a row now? 

 

Getting beat in 3 by the Rockets would be way cooler than having Trae Young next year. Who needs a guy averaging 30/10 as a freshman, I'm sure Robert Williams will be the missing piece to the 7th seed

 

Definitely. Trae looked incredible until there was scouting on him then he got exposed and wasn't able to adjust. I thought he was great at first because he was always dominating games, which is usually a sign of greatness.

 

I soured on him when he couldn't do that and then once he started complaining that teams were doubling him it was a bad sign. Any great offensive player in the NBA will have to learn how to beat defenses geared to stopping them. He's still young so you never know, but he's got a long way to go.

Jul 10, 2018 8:36pm
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Clippers1121 wrote:

These guys (Thornwell, SGA, and Robinson) all have proved one thing in summer league.  And that is that they all need to become better players so they can win some games.  Especially the outside shooting.  I hope they take these games as the comeuppance that they are.  You may be great in college but it does not mean crap when you are playing against grown men with both skills and experience.  These guys really need to put in the work this summer to get better.  I was hoping we would win summer league this year.  But we are not even close to being as good as the Rockets scrubs that they threw out there.  Thank goodness Hunter had a good game.  Otherwise we lose by more than 20.

Really? Outside of Shai, Jerome, and Thornwell this might be the worst SL team we've ever fielded.

 

-For those watching Trae Young he had a nice game today. He'll be alright in the long run

Jul 10, 2018 9:26pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

At least Jerome hasn't been bad, he's just been slightly quiet. I'd be more worried about Trae who looks like he doesn't belong.

 

That's a change in stance, from this post in December.  
 

smiley

 

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

All you team tank people who want to follow in the Lakers footsteps, look at how pathetic that team is. They have a worst record this year at this point than they did last year, and they've been tanking for how many years now? How many years have they been saying "Next year the best free agents will want to come play with all these awesome young studs!" and how many years has that not happened in a row now? 

 

Getting beat in 3 by the Rockets would be way cooler than having Trae Young next year. Who needs a guy averaging 30/10 as a freshman, I'm sure Robert Williams will be the missing piece to the 7th seed

 

Definitely. Trae looked incredible until there was scouting on him then he got exposed and wasn't able to adjust. I thought he was great at first because he was always dominating games, which is usually a sign of greatness.

 

I soured on him when he couldn't do that and then once he started complaining that teams were doubling him it was a bad sign. Any great offensive player in the NBA will have to learn how to beat defenses geared to stopping them. He's still young so you never know, but he's got a long way to go.

 

Thanks.  When did he complain about teams doubling him?  Was this during March Madness?

 

Not looking good for Atlanta.  Who cares if they get a future pick from Dallas.  They might have traded a "zero" in 2018 for a late lottery 2019 pick.

Jul 10, 2018 9:27pm
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pro100 wrote:

Clippers1121 wrote:

These guys (Thornwell, SGA, and Robinson) all have proved one thing in summer league.  And that is that they all need to become better players so they can win some games.  Especially the outside shooting.  I hope they take these games as the comeuppance that they are.  You may be great in college but it does not mean crap when you are playing against grown men with both skills and experience.  These guys really need to put in the work this summer to get better.  I was hoping we would win summer league this year.  But we are not even close to being as good as the Rockets scrubs that they threw out there.  Thank goodness Hunter had a good game.  Otherwise we lose by more than 20.

Really? Outside of Shai, Jerome, and Thornwell this might be the worst SL team we've ever fielded.

 

-For those watching Trae Young he had a nice game today. He'll be alright in the long run

 

It's still probably better than Sacramento's summer league team.

 

The funny thing is that Sacramento are playing most of their projected regular season starters, and still losing.

Jul 11, 2018 12:09pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

nuraman00 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

At least Jerome hasn't been bad, he's just been slightly quiet. I'd be more worried about Trae who looks like he doesn't belong.

 

That's a change in stance, from this post in December.  
 

smiley

 

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

All you team tank people who want to follow in the Lakers footsteps, look at how pathetic that team is. They have a worst record this year at this point than they did last year, and they've been tanking for how many years now? How many years have they been saying "Next year the best free agents will want to come play with all these awesome young studs!" and how many years has that not happened in a row now? 

 

Getting beat in 3 by the Rockets would be way cooler than having Trae Young next year. Who needs a guy averaging 30/10 as a freshman, I'm sure Robert Williams will be the missing piece to the 7th seed

 

Definitely. Trae looked incredible until there was scouting on him then he got exposed and wasn't able to adjust. I thought he was great at first because he was always dominating games, which is usually a sign of greatness.

 

I soured on him when he couldn't do that and then once he started complaining that teams were doubling him it was a bad sign. Any great offensive player in the NBA will have to learn how to beat defenses geared to stopping them. He's still young so you never know, but he's got a long way to go.

 

Thanks.  When did he complain about teams doubling him?  Was this during March Madness?

 

Not looking good for Atlanta.  Who cares if they get a future pick from Dallas.  They might have traded a "zero" in 2018 for a late lottery 2019 pick.

 

It was before March Madness. During conference play when the book was out on him and he started saying how he was being guarded unlike anyone else in the country. I agree that trade is almost surely going to haunt Atlanta.

 

I don't really care about numbers in summer league, but I think some guys have the look or they don't. Last year I thought Mitchell was going to be a star as soon as I saw him and he had some inefficient games too. Most guys you won't be able to tell yet either way and fall in the middle. Trae looks like he is going to get locked up by NBA guards. Whereas guys like Knox, Carter, Jackson and even Shai just clearly have the look of great prospects.

Jul 11, 2018 1:36pm
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Tomer Azarly@TomerAzarly

are up 23-8 with 2:58 left in the 1st.. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is killing the right now, getting wherever he wants on the floor. Other guys are hitting shots too. Another timeout .

Jul 11, 2018 2:02pm
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Spurs GM R.C. Buford is here watching Clippers-Wizards.

Jul 11, 2018 2:03pm
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^watching Thornwell?

Jul 11, 2018 2:05pm
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J-Rob 3/4 from 3...

Jul 11, 2018 2:39pm
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V-Ice wrote:

^watching Thornwell?

Thornwell coming off the bench and apparently scared to shoot.

Jul 11, 2018 3:10pm
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We beat the Wizards today.  So we get to play the mighty Lakers summer league team tomorrow.  Evans and Thornwell came in the game the second half and blew 18 points of a 28 point lead.  So those two guys did not look good.  Robinson got injured with about two minutes left so he is probably out for the rest of the games.  Some knee injury.  Since he stayed on the bench instead of going straight to the locker room it probably isn't that bad.  He looked pretty good when he was in there.  But he definitely is a below the rim type of player.  He had a chance for a big dunk on an ally oop pass and elected to just lay it in without even putting his hands above the rim.  We will see how it goes with him.

SGA looked really good in this game.  He is playing better and better.  Some nice drives to the rim, some nice passes for assists, some good outside jump shots that fell.  And some nice leadership down the stretch when the Wizards were catching up.  I think this guy could displace Beverley in the starting lineup by December or so.

Jul 11, 2018 3:20pm
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Reggie Upshaw nice stat line today. Lil 6'7" sf/pf tweener. Probably prefer him to Wes just off one summer league game heh. Wes is probably a lot quicker on D with the weight disparity and Clips already have Mike Scott

SAG dominant +23 

Jul 11, 2018 3:50pm
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Tomer Azarly‏ @TomerAzarly 43m43 minutes ago

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Jerome Robinson said his ankle is okay, just tweaked it a bit. He told me he was fine though. LA #Clippers coach Casey Hill said he’s unsure if a Robinson will play tomorrow against the #Lakers.

Jul 11, 2018 3:52pm
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Tomer Azarly‏ @TomerAzarly 1h1 hour ago

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#Clippers defeat the #Wizards, 89-74, and advance to the face the #Lakers. Reggie Upshaw: 24 pts, 9 rebs, 2 ast, 1 stl Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 17 pts, 4 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk Jerome Robinson: 15 pts, 2 rebs, 3 asts Angel Delgado: 14 pts, 10 rebs, 1 ast, 5 stls

Jul 11, 2018 4:27pm
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Delgado played very well 

Jul 11, 2018 5:36pm
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The promising thing for Shai is that even if he was not dominating summer league I would have still liked his chances because his game will translate well to playing with real NBA players whereas someone like Trae Young should be doing better in this format.

 

Volume shooters usually excel in summer league. Sledding will be much tougher for him against physical NBA guards. 

Jul 11, 2018 7:18pm
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Young had 23 points and 8 assists in 26 minutes on only 14 fga.  He has been significantly better the past few games.

Jul 12, 2018 8:34am
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