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#1 Jul 6, 2018 9:40pm
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Las Vegas Summer League official thread(Clipps and entire league)

Rooks looking solid so far. I think you start Shai right out the gate when the season starts

Jul 6, 2018 10:02pm
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SGA, Jerome and Thornwell look good. SGA may be as good if not better than Lonzo Ball.

Jul 6, 2018 10:03pm
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Shai is going to be good, I wouldn't trade him for Trae Young

Jul 6, 2018 10:23pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Shai is going to be good, I wouldn't trade him for Trae Young

Man I was hoping Trae Young plays well just so Atlanta can finally have a young up and coming player for once. He not looking good at all so far

Jul 6, 2018 11:28pm
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The Hawks should try to trade Young for Furkan Korkmaz while they still might have chance.

Jul 6, 2018 11:47pm
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Rookies and Thornwell looked good.... the rest were trash. Shai defense is really good. Jerome needs to be a little stingier with the ball and Thornwell played good defense

Jul 6, 2018 11:53pm
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totally agree

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Rookies and Thornwell looked good.... the rest were trash. Shai defense is really good. Jerome needs to be a little stingier with the ball and Thornwell played good defense

Jul 7, 2018 1:15am
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pro100 wrote:

Hitnrun24 wrote:

Shai is going to be good, I wouldn't trade him for Trae Young

Man I was hoping Trae Young plays well just so Atlanta can finally have a young up and coming player for once. He not looking good at all so far

 

They had Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Jeff Teague.  All great draft picks.  They had a 10 year stretch of making the playoffs, so not as many opportunities after Horford.

 

Schroder was a good draft pick too for where he was picked, but not as good of a player as Teague ended up being, so it hurts their overall talent level.

Jul 7, 2018 1:18am
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Shai is going to be good, I wouldn't trade him for Trae Young

 

I was really excited when he was drafted.  I thought he could be the best PG of the draft.  Has a good feel for the game.

 

To me, like an Andre Miller type (whom I like).

Jul 7, 2018 8:01am
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Jawun Evans was a -19 while SGA, Robinson and Thornwell were at least +13. Do we cut him?

Everyone else was garbage. I don't know if they will even be on the G League team.

Jul 7, 2018 8:08am
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recorded on dvr and going to watch shortly w coffee, the simple pleasures in life

Jul 7, 2018 8:40am
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I've said before that, though I personally like Evans, I think he's being cut. I still think that's the case. 

Jul 7, 2018 9:02am
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Thornwell did play very well. 

Jul 7, 2018 11:40am
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-Evans could definitely get cut, there's a lot of guys ahead of him especially if Milos does come back. 

-Shai was inefficient, but not in a way that worried me. He has a lot of ways to impact the game on both ends.

-Jerome was a bit of a disappointment, but he showed some flashes. He showed the ability to take some off the dribble 3's, but he bricked a couple really bad. Shot looks smooth though so I think eventually that will come. He was a bit quiet at times though which doesn't bode well for him getting many minutes this year early on. He wasn't bad though, looks like a complementary role player type early on. Maybe he could be a Redick type that is not quite as good a shooter but can create for himself more.

-Thornwell looked good. He lacks athleticism for a 2 guard, but seems like a guy who works really hard. Still probably a year away from being a rotation guy unless you're tanking but showed improvement which is good.

Jul 7, 2018 11:58am
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First game of Summer league for rookies only serves to get the jitters out and it is never much of an indication of anything. The kids are nervous, they don't know plays, they don't know a system, it's one step removed from street ball. Around the second or third game is when you can start making some more concrete observations.

That said, I think Shai is the real deal. His size, physical attributes, BB IQ, and instincts look really, really good.

Thornwell looked good but he's already played a good amount minutes in the NBA, so he should look great out there playing among rookies and garbage in summer league.

For that same reason, Evans should probably be cut... Unless he was just having a really bad night, I guess...

Too early to see anything about Jerome, other than he has a great shot and he moves well without the ball. So, if nothing else, it looks to me like he could at the very least develop into a Ray Allen/JJ Redick type of player?

 

Jul 7, 2018 12:08pm
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only watched first quarter and a bit of the second as, well, summer league is just mostly pretty damn bad bball with all the missed layups, bricked threes, and guys just trying to showcase themselves by jacking up poor shots. Thornwell, as expected, looked the most ready with all his experience last year. He's a good 3 and D guy, but just undersized and lacks the burst to really contribute at the rim ala say an E-Gor. SGA seemed confident for a rook.

at least it's bball and good to hear Kerr get some playful grief from doris and the other announcer for his abundance of roster talent.

Jul 7, 2018 1:03pm
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Thornwell would fit nicely w Spurs.. Pops type of player.. plays good d and can shoot the ball. 

Jul 7, 2018 3:27pm
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Atl made a huge mistake by not taking jarren Jackson jr .

Jul 7, 2018 3:52pm
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BlakeG4MVP wrote:

Atl made a huge mistake by not taking jarren Jackson jr .

Sacramento too.

Jul 7, 2018 4:13pm
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SGA and Jerome are going to be very good players.... All star type players.... Jerome looks like he will have a mean streak look eventually.... love our draft picks.. 

Jul 7, 2018 4:25pm
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It was too hard to judge Evans.  The 2nd unit was awful.  

Jul 8, 2018 12:48am
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vicrattlehead wrote:

It was too hard to judge Evans.  The 2nd unit was awful.  

Yeah I'm scratching my head at some of these invites we gave to be on our SL team

Jul 8, 2018 12:48am
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vicrattlehead wrote:

It was too hard to judge Evans.  The 2nd unit was awful.  

Yeah I'm scratching my head at some of these invites we gave to be on our SL team

Jul 8, 2018 11:14am
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SGA is way too skinny.  He looks like Shaun Livingston when he came out of high school.  He really needs to go to the weight room this summer and pump some iron.  Put on 20 pounds so at least he will look like he belongs in the NBA.  Plus, work on his jumpshot.  People say he had a solid game but 5 for 19 isn't solid in my opinion.  Especially with the reduced level of competition in the summer league.  One positive is that the announcers said he was a hell of a leader and a hell of a competitive guy at Kentucky.  Those qualities really bode well for NBA players.  Hopefully, he works his ass off this summer in the gym and tries to get to the point where he can at least be a rotation player off the bench.  And I see him as playing a lot of small forward for us when we go to our smaller lineups.  Being like a point forward.  With all our guards we will be needing him to guard small forwards.  His quickness and near seven foot wingspan should allow him to do that.  About time we drafted a tall guard who might be a good two way player at some point.

Not sure about Jerome.  He can shoot some but so can a lot of other guys.  And yes Evans may be the one to go with all our guards if we need to cut somebody.  If it is between him and Milos I would personally keep Milos who might have value at the trade deadline whereas Juwan won't.  Our bigs in the summer league probably are not even being considered for training camp.  Good to see Ballmer, West, and Frank all at the game and paying close attention to what our team and rookies are like.  No Doc Rivers that I could see.  So maybe he does not have much input into personnel decisions anymore.

Jul 8, 2018 2:16pm
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http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jerome-robinson

Robinson won't be a guy to take someone off the dribble. Apparently doesn't have the measurables( speed, quickness, length) to be a good ISO player at the next level.

The Redick comparison might be a better comp.

I just can't see him getting any floor time at all, being behind Lou, Bradley, and Thornwell. 

Jul 8, 2018 2:34pm
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Thornwell will very likely be playing SF. Robinson will be the third SG.

Jul 8, 2018 2:52pm
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This thread is amazing.

Gotta love snap judgments based off of one summer league game.

Jul 8, 2018 3:04pm
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I think Thornwell is or will be included in any trade for Kawhi.

Jul 8, 2018 5:01pm
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I doubt Thornwell moves the needle in any Kawhi deal. It was a little depressing seeing Kevin Knox yesterday, I wish he would have fallen to us.

 

I wouldn't judge players off of numbers yet, but it's clear that guy is going to be a very useful NBA player. Him, Jaren Jackson and Wendell Carter look like can't miss guys so far. I feel confident Shai will be solid too, but those guys look a cut above.

Jul 8, 2018 9:48pm
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SGA and Thornwell played very well. SGA has a nice mid range jumper which is a plus...

Jul 8, 2018 10:20pm
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trapp76 wrote:

https://twitter.com/lucasjhann/status/1016171862890504192?s=21

LOL. what a bunch of bullshit. the fact this guy says he heard we wouldnt even match a min salary offer is in an of itself proof this is a bogus rumor. no fucking way we let wallace walk if he gets a min offer. thats just silly

Jul 9, 2018 4:51am
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WindsorUK wrote:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jerome-robinson

Robinson won't be a guy to take someone off the dribble. Apparently doesn't have the measurables( speed, quickness, length) to be a good ISO player at the next level.

The Redick comparison might be a better comp.

I just can't see him getting any floor time at all, being behind Lou, Bradley, and Thornwell. 

I believe that if giving the opportunity he can be a great player. I see him doing more than just what Reddick can do. Although I’m not sure if he will ever be as great of a shooter as Reddick.

Jul 9, 2018 8:35am
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SGA played way better in the second game against the Kings than he did in the first game.  He actually stood out as one of the best players on the court which is what I expect him to do.  Has good instincts about when he should take it to the basket, pass, or shoot it when he is open.  He is still very raw but he looks like with enough practice that he can become a good NBA player.  Evans played well last night.  The guy plays with a lot of hustle and a lot of heart.  High IQ player who got the ball to guys in good shooting positions during our big rally during the fourth quarter.  Problem with Evans is his size.  He can't really take it to the basket without getting his shot blocked.  Even in summer league.  Still not sure if he makes the roster or not.  Thornwell played pretty well.  He learns to consistently knock down those three pointers and he is a rotation player or our reserves for sure.  Good to get the win last night.  Its just summer league but we want to win these games because that means we have winning players.

Jul 9, 2018 9:42am
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Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Jul 9, 2018 9:45am
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At least Thornwell knows now that he has to take the shot when he is open.  He can't overthink it like should I pass, should I try and drive to the basket.  He knows that when he is behind the three point line and he is wide open that he needs to shoot it.  And he knows he has to hit that shot if he wants to play.  He can develop into a good role player now that he understands exactly what his role is.  And he was one of our best players on the court last night.

Jul 9, 2018 10:25am
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Thanks for those links Trapp.

For those who didn't want to or could not click through, here is the text of Trapp's links:

  1. Sindarius Thornwell: 22 pts, 6 rebs, 4 asts, 1 blk Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 21 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls Jawun Evans: 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts
  2. On the Ty Wallace front: I'm told LAC offered a better deal in March than was reported, but balked at Ty's camp asking for a salary in the $4M range. Now, after drafting two guards (8 total on the roster), Clippers would be unlikely to match even a minimum-salary offer sheet.
  3. "That was a hard conversation we had. He made it easy though," @LAClippers' coach Doc Rivers said about trading his son Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards during the offseason.
Jul 9, 2018 10:38am
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Doc was at the game last night.  They interviewed him and that is where the Austin quote came from.  I did not see Ballmer or West.  Frank was there though.  See who shows up for tonights game against the Rockets.  Jerome did not play last night at all.  Expected to play tonight though.

Jul 9, 2018 10:51am
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trapp76 wrote:

Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

Jul 9, 2018 10:41am
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Mistwell wrote:

Thanks for those links Trapp.

For those who didn't want to or could not click through, here is the text of Trapp's links:

  1. Sindarius Thornwell: 22 pts, 6 rebs, 4 asts, 1 blk Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 21 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls Jawun Evans: 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts
  2. On the Ty Wallace front: I'm told LAC offered a better deal in March than was reported, but balked at Ty's camp asking for a salary in the $4M range. Now, after drafting two guards (8 total on the roster), Clippers would be unlikely to match even a minimum-salary offer sheet.
  3. "That was a hard conversation we had. He made it easy though," @LAClippers' coach Doc Rivers said about trading his son Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards during the offseason.

Weird, when I post a twitter link from my PC, it embeds the tweet in the post, but when I post a twitter link from my phone, it just posts the link.

Jul 9, 2018 10:54am
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trapp76 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Thanks for those links Trapp.

For those who didn't want to or could not click through, here is the text of Trapp's links:

  1. Sindarius Thornwell: 22 pts, 6 rebs, 4 asts, 1 blk Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 21 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls Jawun Evans: 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts
  2. On the Ty Wallace front: I'm told LAC offered a better deal in March than was reported, but balked at Ty's camp asking for a salary in the $4M range. Now, after drafting two guards (8 total on the roster), Clippers would be unlikely to match even a minimum-salary offer sheet.
  3. "That was a hard conversation we had. He made it easy though," @LAClippers' coach Doc Rivers said about trading his son Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards during the offseason.

Weird, when I post a twitter link from my PC, it embeds the tweet in the post, but when I post a twitter link from my phone, it just posts the link.

Yeah same happens for me. 

Jul 9, 2018 11:10am
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babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

I agree, just no room for him on the roster unless we make a multi player trade to free up spots later. I still think Milos probably gets cut as well if we can't trade him before 7/15. They probably want to open up minutes for SGA.

Jul 9, 2018 11:26am
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trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

I agree, just no room for him on the roster unless we make a multi player trade to free up spots later. I still think Milos probably gets cut as well if we can't trade him before 7/15. They probably want to open up minutes for SGA.

Yeah Milos and Williams are gone...but we should at least try to trade them for some 2nd rd picks. I think we have to cut Milos by next week.

Jul 9, 2018 11:51am
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babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

I agree, just no room for him on the roster unless we make a multi player trade to free up spots later. I still think Milos probably gets cut as well if we can't trade him before 7/15. They probably want to open up minutes for SGA.

Yeah Milos and Williams are gone...but we should at least try to trade them for some 2nd rd picks. I think we have to cut Milos by next week.

Yep, his contract guarantees on 7/15.

Looking at the roster construction currently, I think barring a trade, we are either gonna keep Milos or keep Evans, we won't keep both. One of them will get cut along with Williams.

Then we will use the 15th and final roster spot to bring back Harrell.

Final 15 would look like this:

PG: Bradley, SGA, (Milos or Evans)
SG: Beverley, Williams, Robinson
SF: Harris, Johnson, Dekker, Thornwell
PF: Gallinari, Harrell, Scott
C:  Gortat, Marjanovic

 

If we make a Kawhi trade or something big like that, it could totally change things up, but who knows if that will happen.

We are probably looking at another 40-45 win season with that team, similar to last season depending on the health of guys like Bradley, Gallo and Beverley (always shaky) and depending on what moves we make at the trade deadline (ie how many of our vets we sell off for picks). We should be on the fringe for the 8 spot again.

Jul 9, 2018 12:31pm
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There's too many health question marks for me to see us at or above .500. As it stands we may approach that if we have zero major injuries which isn't going to happen. The West is going to be hard to get wins this year, not too many tankers. By the all star break SGA will be getting big minutes. Hopefully Robinson proves himself capable too.

Jul 9, 2018 12:39pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Thanks for those links Trapp.

For those who didn't want to or could not click through, here is the text of Trapp's links:

  1. Sindarius Thornwell: 22 pts, 6 rebs, 4 asts, 1 blk Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 21 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls Jawun Evans: 10 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts
  2. On the Ty Wallace front: I'm told LAC offered a better deal in March than was reported, but balked at Ty's camp asking for a salary in the $4M range. Now, after drafting two guards (8 total on the roster), Clippers would be unlikely to match even a minimum-salary offer sheet.
  3. "That was a hard conversation we had. He made it easy though," @LAClippers' coach Doc Rivers said about trading his son Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards during the offseason.

 

Thanks for the repost.

Jul 9, 2018 1:02pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

There's too many health question marks for me to see us at or above .500. As it stands we may approach that if we have zero major injuries which isn't going to happen. The West is going to be hard to get wins this year, not too many tankers. By the all star break SGA will be getting big minutes. Hopefully Robinson proves himself capable too.

One thing I do like about our roster is that we have decent depth behind the guys who tend to get injured a lot (assuming we bring back Harrell). We have Harrell/Scott behind Gallo, SGA/Lou/Robinson (and maybe Milos) behind Bradley/Beverley (not to mention the fact that both Bradley and Beverley can play either guard spot). So we should be able to withstand injuries to those guys pretty well I think if need be.

Jul 9, 2018 1:30pm
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West was at the game last night vs the Kings 

Jul 9, 2018 1:50pm
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trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

babyradar01 wrote:

trapp76 wrote:

Thornwell didn't impress me offensively last season (although his defense was pretty good) but I still hold out some hope that he could be a useful 3 and D guy at SF. He has had some big summer league games both this season and last.

I think Evans may get cut. We have too many guards and I can see him being the odd man out.

Williams will be cut...he's got a non-guaranteed. 

I agree, just no room for him on the roster unless we make a multi player trade to free up spots later. I still think Milos probably gets cut as well if we can't trade him before 7/15. They probably want to open up minutes for SGA.

Yeah Milos and Williams are gone...but we should at least try to trade them for some 2nd rd picks. I think we have to cut Milos by next week.

Yep, his contract guarantees on 7/15.

Looking at the roster construction currently, I think barring a trade, we are either gonna keep Milos or keep Evans, we won't keep both. One of them will get cut along with Williams.

Then we will use the 15th and final roster spot to bring back Harrell.

Final 15 would look like this:

PG: Bradley, SGA, (Milos or Evans)
SG: Beverley, Williams, Robinson
SF: Harris, Johnson, Dekker, Thornwell
PF: Gallinari, Harrell, Scott
C:  Gortat, Marjanovic

 

If we make a Kawhi trade or something big like that, it could totally change things up, but who knows if that will happen.

We are probably looking at another 40-45 win season with that team, similar to last season depending on the health of guys like Bradley, Gallo and Beverley (always shaky) and depending on what moves we make at the trade deadline (ie how many of our vets we sell off for picks). We should be on the fringe for the 8 spot again.

What I find laughable is we would keep a guy like Wes Johnson to the detriment of Ty Wallace.  I could give a shit about keeping him for some hypothetical trade where it's 100-1 shot we need his salary for matching purposes. Cut the guy and sign/match Wallace. Period.