2018 Youtube thread of draft prospects

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#1 Apr 10, 2018 9:30pm
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2018 Youtube thread of draft prospects

Before we get started I have to put out the disclaimer.  I make this thread to familiarize myself with the players coming into the league.  I make comments on their abilities, however I don't claim to be some sort of expert talent evaluator.  In fact if you track down the old threads you'll probably see me praise a bunch of dudes that are completely out of the league already.  (Don't track down those threads)

Anyway, enjoy.

Apr 10, 2018 10:01pm
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Mikal Bridges, SF

AGE 22, 6'7", 210

17.7 PPG, 5.3 REB, 1.9 AST, 1.1 BLK, 1.5 STL, 51.4 FG%, 43.5 3P%, 85.1 FT%

 

 

That first clip is pretty much all you need to know about Mikal.  He's going to be a damn good two-way player in the league.  While he is only average size, he makes up for it with elite athleticism and monster 7'1" wingspan.  Add in he shoots well over 40% from three, he is basically the ideal 3-and-D player.  

I'm not sure how much star potential he has, he's basically 2 or 3 years older than most of the other lottery prospects.  But some have compared him to Kawhi Leonard, so maybe?  

Apr 11, 2018 10:12am
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Dyce wrote:
 In fact if you track down the old threads you'll probably see me praise a bunch of dudes that are completely out of the league already.  (Don't track down those threads)

 

I asked this a few weeks ago.  Not sure if you saw the post.

 

You were once high on Finnish propspect Petteri Koponen.

 

Did you have the same feeling towards Finnish player Lauri Markkanen?

 

(If so, we can say that one of Dyce's Finnish players comes through!).

Apr 17, 2018 11:35pm
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Zhaire Smith, SG/SF

AGE 19, 6'5", 195

11.3 PPG, 5.0 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.1 BLK, 1.1 STL, 55.6 FG%, 45.0 3P%, 71.7 FT%

 

Zhaire is an elite athlete with a really nice jump shot.  That is all you need to have success in the NBA.  His game is very raw, but he should be an above average defender, be able to knock down his open jump shots, and occasionally throw down a monster jam.  He is so young too, maybe he could develop into more.

Apr 17, 2018 11:40pm
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nuraman00 wrote:

Did you have the same feeling towards Finnish player Lauri Markkanen?

 

Haven't seen him a lot, but maybe he could be a poor man's Dirk.  Like Porzingis.  His game is really suited for the modern NBA.  Bulls are set at PF for the near future.

 

May 3, 2018 6:00am
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Trae Young, PG

AGE 20, 6'2", 180

27.4 PPG, 3.9 REB, 8.7 AST, 0.3 BLK, 1.7 STL, 42.2 FG%, 36.0 3P%, 86.1 FT%

 

I knew coming in about his deep shooting range, but the thing I came away most impressed by was his court vision/passing.  I could see him leading the league one year in assists.  The downside is he also seems to force passes and that leads to high turnovers.  Actually, that is the problem with his entire game.  He has no discipline.  He famously had a 48 point game, but took 39 shots to do it.  Just cause you can knock down jump shots 10 feet behind the 3-point line, doesn't mean that is the shot you should be looking for as soon as you pass halfcourt.

Luckily, all that can be fixed.  It's easy to forget how young these one and done guys are.  His game is still developing and has plenty of time to mature.  Keep in mind he put up numbers equal to what Steph Curry did as a Junior, all while playing in a much tougher conference.  Plus I could see him being one of those guys that plays better when surrounded by better quality teammates.  He has all the talent you need to be a star in this league.  Limetless shooting range, gets by defenders with ease, court vision, ability to draw fouls.  I'd take a shot on him.

May 8, 2018 10:18am
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Collin Sexton, PG

AGE 19, 6'3", 190

19.2 PPG, 3.8 REB, 3.6 AST, 0.1 BLK, 0.8 STL, 44.7 FG%, 33.6 3P%, 77.8 FT%

 

 

His nickname is "Young Bull' and it fits.  His game is somewhat of a cross between Bledsoe and Beverley.  He's a tough energetic kid, should be a plus defender.  While his shooting percentage are just average, he makes up for it by drawing fouls.

His playmaking ability just isn't there yet.  He has no problem creating shots for himself, but he has a ways to go in learning how to run an offense and creating shots for others.

May 8, 2018 6:29pm
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I’d gladly take either but if I had a choice give me Young.
May 9, 2018 5:41pm
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I posted about this in the other thread, but I am suspecting Trae Young could fall to us if Cavs pass on him. 

 

Also, what do you guys think about Mitchell Robinson?

May 10, 2018 2:46am
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I think the Hornets would take a shot on Young and look to trade Walker.  

May 10, 2018 4:24am
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Mitchell Robinson, C

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Robinson basically quit on his college team.  So most of the footage of him is against high school kids a half-foot shorter than him.  Of course he dominated.

Hard to really evaluate a guy in a zero competative environment.  What I do see is a super long dude that lacks fundamental skills like boxing out, but can make up for it by simply jumping over everyone.  Not too different from a young DeAndre Jordan.  

May 10, 2018 6:32pm
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He looks exactly like a young DJ. Normally at pick 13, that's fine for a pick but in this one I'd rather see who else might still be there since this type of Center is becoming less valuable in the league. He is going to get pushed around for a few years until he is ready so it would take years before you'd get much out of him.

May 10, 2018 8:53pm
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Mistwell wrote:

I posted about this in the other thread, but I am suspecting Trae Young could fall to us if Cavs pass on him. 

 

Also, what do you guys think about Mitchell Robinson?

Ive read like 5 articles about trae young falling to us if the cavs dont take him...so you agree with them.
May 10, 2018 9:38pm
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babyradar01 wrote:
Mistwell wrote:

I posted about this in the other thread, but I am suspecting Trae Young could fall to us if Cavs pass on him. 

 

Also, what do you guys think about Mitchell Robinson?

Ive read like 5 articles about trae young falling to us if the cavs dont take him...so you agree with them.

I honestly don't know enough to agree, I am more repeating probably the same stuff you've read. I should do a better job of making that clear. I'm asking what people think of these things (like Young), rather than stating an educated opinion on it. 

May 10, 2018 11:33pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

this type of Center is becoming less valuable in the league. 

Perhaps.  People want centers that can switch and chase after guards.  I still value rim protectors and guys that clean up the defensive rebounds.

May 11, 2018 7:23am
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I think the Jordan stlye center is relatively more valuable than in the past, because teams are moving away from post play, so on offense PnR skills and finishing are important than ISO post scoring and defensively help defense and PnR switching and hedging is more important than muscling inside . Also with PFs being asked to rebound less and less, there is greater need for centers to rebound more.
May 11, 2018 9:06am
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Hard pass on Trae Young. We need size, length and defense. He checks none of those boxes. Plus, we already have enough guards. We need wings.

May 11, 2018 5:21pm
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The thing I don't like about Robinson is how skinny he is. DJ had 20-30 pounds on him when he came into the league.
May 11, 2018 5:32pm
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VFHS wrote:

Hard pass on Trae Young. We need size, length and defense. He checks none of those boxes. Plus, we already have enough guards. We need wings.

We also lack playmakers. One of the big reasons Milos was so important to last year's team was because he was the only guy that would create shots for others.
May 11, 2018 6:43pm
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Young is a guy with good coaching and development can become a star player, you gotta remember he was only a 1 year player so there is a lot of room for improvement. There are flaws, but the things he does well are hard to find too. He's a gamble, but at 12/13 the reward is big enough to justify the pick.

May 12, 2018 10:27am
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I doubt Young falls to us. I agree with VFHS as far as the need for length and potential wings. These types of players are very valuable in the modern NBA, look no further than the success of the Celtics this season. Brown, Rozier, and Tatum all fit the mold of they type of players we should be looking for. I know Rozier is a guard but his length and athleticism makes him a versatile piece on both ends. Not to mention that Brown, Rozier, and Tatum are lightening quick, also another attribute that is valuable in today’s game. With that said, I like Sexton, Knox, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, and either of the Bridges.
May 12, 2018 10:37am
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We definitely need wings but I highly doubt we'll pass on Trey Young if he falls to us

May 12, 2018 3:16pm
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pro100 wrote:

We definitely need wings but I highly doubt we'll pass on Trey Young if he falls to us

As much as people hate to say it the guy looks as close to Curry as I could imagine. Admittedly that’s a very small sample size but the couple of times I’ve seen him he’s been pretty incredible.
May 13, 2018 8:30am
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Miles Bridges, SF/PF

AGE 20, 6'7", 230

17.1 PPG, 7.0 REB, 2.7 AST, 0.8 BLK, 0.6 STL, 45.7 FG%, 36.4 3P%, 85.3 FT%

 

 

Good spot-up shooter and athlete.  Gets a lot of dunks off backdoor cuts.  He is strong, finshes well in traffic, and can muscle his way to get some rebounds.  Is not a great ballhandler, so often ends up settling for jump shots.

I feel his game fits the modern day PF.  He's like Kyle Kuzma.  Unforunately his size is that of a wing player.  Classic tweener problem.  Is he quick enough to guard wings?  Long enough to guard 4's?  The Draft combine is this week, we'll see how well he measures up.

May 13, 2018 9:33am
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Guess I'm lower on Trae than the rest of the board. I see "bust" written all over him. He's not Curry, but he thinks he is. He's a chucker, a turnover machine and a defensive liability. His measurables are just mediocre, and he lacked the athleticism, vertical and strength to be a great finisher in college (so just imagine how that's going to translate to the pros).

Even if he turns out to be good, I still don't want to go back to an undersized point guard hogging the ball and micromanaging the whole offense. We just saw how that was a recipe for playoff failure.

Dynamic wings are the most valuable commodity in the NBA. Without one - hell, probably more than one in today's league - you will never be more than a regular season pretender at best. Right now, we're like an NFL team without a franchise quarterback. We need to just keep drafting wings until we find a couple great ones.

May 13, 2018 10:43am
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No to Trae
May 13, 2018 6:12pm
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If Young is available where we draft we should take him, but he likely won't be. He can score with volume and effiency and create for others and did it as a freshman in a major conference. He has some flaws that might him less desirable at the very top of the draft, for a mid round pick he would be an easy choice. I wouldn't really call him a chucker because his assist rate is so high and his turover rate kind of goes along with that as well.
May 13, 2018 7:31pm
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I'd take a chance on Kevin Knox and Jontay Porter.

May 13, 2018 7:48pm
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OGClipsFan32 wrote:
I doubt Young falls to us. I agree with VFHS as far as the need for length and potential wings. These types of players are very valuable in the modern NBA, look no further than the success of the Celtics this season. Brown, Rozier, and Tatum all fit the mold of they type of players we should be looking for. I know Rozier is a guard but his length and athleticism makes him a versatile piece on both ends. Not to mention that Brown, Rozier, and Tatum are lightening quick, also another attribute that is valuable in today’s game. With that said, I like Sexton, Knox, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, and either of the Bridges.

 

Those were top 5-10 picks though. We definitley need wings but not all wings are superior. Just ask Wes Johnson.. Its got to be the right guys. Not to mention Boston has top of the line coaching and schemes with Brad Stevens. It gets deeped than "just getting wings".

May 15, 2018 5:55am
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Kevin Knox, SF/PF

AGE 19, 6'9", 215

15.6 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 0.3 BLK, 0.8 STL, 44.5 FG%, 34.1 3P%, 77.4 FT%

 

Knox landed in Kentucky with high expectations and simply failed to live up to them.  Not saying he was bad, he just looked very average at times.  Inconsistency and lack of aggression was a problem.  At times he looked like a potential star, but then there were 7 games this season where he failed to score even 10 points.

The thing Knox has going for him is that he simply looks the part.  He's basically built just like Jayson Tatum.  It's easy to fall in love with a guy with his length, agility, and fluid jumper.

May 15, 2018 12:09pm
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Knox looks like a project. He has all the tools you'd want, but offensively he will be limited to just catch and shoot 3's and finishing on the break. You'd hope he could become a great defender with his agility, but a long way to go there. On offense ball handling will be huge for him, I only ever see him driving hard all in one speed. No real moves yet, no hesitation but he's young. Bridges from Villanova is 3 years older than this guy so if you can envision him improving that amount in 3 years he'd be a fine pick depending on who else is out there. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of our picks if we don't move up.

May 20, 2018 9:08am
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Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, PG/SG

AGE 20, 6'6", 180

14.4 PPG, 4.1 REB, 5.1 AST, 0.5 BLK, 1.6 STL, 48.5 FG%, 40.4 3P%, 81.7 FT%

 

The guy most linked to us in mocks.  Shai is the swiss army knife of guards, he can do it all.  His natural position is PG, but if called upon he can play off the ball.  He is also a plus defender with excellent length.  He actually beats Miles Bridges by half an inch in standing reach.

People talk about it becoming a positionless league, Shai should fit right in.  You can plug and play him next to anyone.  I actually like him a little more than Sexton.

May 20, 2018 10:27am
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Alexander would do wonders for us.. Knox as well. Those 2 should be our picks unless West has other ideas or a gem.
May 20, 2018 3:41pm
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VFHS wrote:

Guess I'm lower on Trae than the rest of the board. I see "bust" written all over him. He's not Curry, but he thinks he is. He's a chucker, a turnover machine and a defensive liability. His measurables are just mediocre, and he lacked the athleticism, vertical and strength to be a great finisher in college (so just imagine how that's going to translate to the pros).

Even if he turns out to be good, I still don't want to go back to an undersized point guard hogging the ball and micromanaging the whole offense. We just saw how that was a recipe for playoff failure.

Dynamic wings are the most valuable commodity in the NBA. Without one - hell, probably more than one in today's league - you will never be more than a regular season pretender at best. Right now, we're like an NFL team without a franchise quarterback. We need to just keep drafting wings until we find a couple great ones.

I'm I'm agreement with yoh.There have been great shooters in college that just don't transition, and if that skill doesn't carry over, what then? I would rather the team draft tall guys with long wingspan that can defend.I'll pass on trae

May 20, 2018 4:35pm
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Shai looks iffy to me. 

May 20, 2018 4:46pm
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Mistwell wrote:

Shai looks iffy to me. 

 

Why? There's no slam dunks at 12, but I think he's got a good chance to be a quality player. His 3 point% is a little misleading although encouraging. He's not a shooter, but he was efficient with the shots he took and he can get better there.

May 20, 2018 5:17pm
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Hitnrun24 wrote:

Mistwell wrote:

Shai looks iffy to me. 

 

Why? There's no slam dunks at 12, but I think he's got a good chance to be a quality player. His 3 point% is a little misleading although encouraging. He's not a shooter, but he was efficient with the shots he took and he can get better there.

He likes to play a slower pace, and prefers half court play. Not sure that's a good fit for this team, and perhaps the NBA. We shall see. 

May 20, 2018 5:37pm
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Apparently Clippers like Lonnie Walker. 

May 21, 2018 8:01am
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I heard that during the NCAA season, the Clippers were very high on Knox there. Also hearing of many opportunities to move up in the draft. I have a feeling that Ballmer may be trying to make a push to get Michael Porter Jr. He's familiar with Porter from his high school time in Washington. I heard at the combine that Ballmer even paused his interview in the middle of it, to listen to Porter's interview. 

May 21, 2018 8:53am
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Clips will try to move up and get MPJr..
May 21, 2018 8:57am
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Mistwell wrote:

Apparently Clippers like Lonnie Walker. 

And Micheal Porter Jr

May 21, 2018 11:49am
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Draft is a month away. A lot can and will likely happen in that time. No move can be made to "move up" really until the day of the draft since you never know if the guy you have your eye on will move up again on his own out of reach of whatever deal you'd make now. So...who knows?

May 21, 2018 12:21pm
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pageC4 wrote:
I'm I'm agreement with yoh.There have been great shooters in college that just don't transition, and if that skill doesn't carry over, what then? I would rather the team draft tall guys with long wingspan that can defend.I'll pass on trae
He also got to the line at lot and got a lot of assists, he's not just a shooter. He averaged 8+ assists and 8+ FTA as a freshman in a major conference, I cant think of anyone else who has done that (John Wall and Dennis Smith Jr. are the only other guys I could find who averaged 6+ AST and FTA has freshman, and both were less than 7 in each and were drafted high). His upside would be worth the risk if he somehow fell to 12, even if you would want a more well rounded player if you were drafting higher.
May 21, 2018 12:25pm
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Supposedly the Knicks are going to draft Young if he's still available at 9.
May 21, 2018 9:51pm
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Lonnie Walker is being labeled the next Rodney Stuckey/ OJ Mayo. While Michael Porter Jr as the next Kevin Durant/Joe Johnson
May 22, 2018 5:13am
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Lonnie Walker, SG

AGE 19, 6'5", 196

11.5 PPG, 2.6 REB, 1.9 AST, 0.5 BLK, 0.9 STL, 41.5 FG%, 34.6 3P%, 73.8 FT%

 

Lonnie is a guy that looks really great in highlight reels, but then you look at his stats and realize he is putting up a ton of bricks in between these nice plays.  The majority of his half court plays are just him trying to beat his man in iso-ball.  Problem is he rarely looks to kick out to shooters, and when he can't beat his man off-the dribble he settles for long jumpers.  It makes you wonder what is going on.  Do his teammates suck?  Is his coach not using him right?  Or is he simply not as good as he thinks he is?

 

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I actually think Walker will be better than his stats showed. It's something to consider though. I think he was coming off injury and got better after a slow start, but if you look at his skills he should be a high quality player. Depending on what I thought his defense could be is where I would consider drafting him

May 22, 2018 2:54pm
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To be fair, some guys do play better once they get to the league simply because of better spacing.  Donovan Mitchell was only a 40% shooter in college and he blossomed into a young star.  I could see Walker thriving running more pick and rolls.

May 22, 2018 3:43pm
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Dyce wrote:

To be fair, some guys do play better once they get to the league simply because of better spacing.  Donovan Mitchell was only a 40% shooter in college and he blossomed into a young star.  I could see Walker thriving running more pick and rolls.

 

A lofty compairson, but there are some similarities. If you were going to bet on a guy who surprisingly goes in the mid 1st round because his stats weren't up to par with his skills he could be that guy. And I didn't see anything saying implying that he had poor IQ or anything.

May 22, 2018 6:57pm
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He wouldn't be a terrible pick, but I still think we'll have better options at 12 and13.  

May 23, 2018 11:38am
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Dyce wrote:

Lonnie Walker, SG

Lonnie is a guy that looks really great in highlight reels, but then you look at his stats and realize he is putting up a ton of bricks in between these nice plays.  The majority of his half court plays are just him trying to beat his man in iso-ball.  Problem is he rarely looks to kick out to shooters, and when he can't beat his man off-the dribble he settles for long jumpers.  It makes you wonder what is going on.  Do his teammates suck?  Is his coach not using him right?  Or is he simply not as good as he thinks he is?

 

 

What is going on with Lonnie is that he knows the earth is just an illusion, so he  might as well shoot his rainbows: