Kenyon Martin agrees on a deal with Clippers (LA Times)

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ESPN Sports Center just reported it too (1030am). KMart is now a Clipper!!! A great backup for DJ and Blake Griffin. Evans could still be a force when both Griffin and DJ are on the bench. Now, we just need a quality backup for SF Butler. Gomes is a bust.

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Awesome.

It'll be nice to actually have a big on the bench that can score and finish around the rim. He can also be a nice short term fill-in at PF if Blake ever has to miss some games due to injury.

Now, let's see if we can grab JR Smith to be a backup SF on a min contract once he gets released from China and our bench will be really nice.

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From JR Smith's Twitter:

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This is why it is ok trade away tons of assets for a superstar player like Paul, because it allows to pickup guys like Martin who never would have signed with the Clippers otherwise and is better than anyone we traded other than Gordon.  It is almost impossible to trade too much if you're getting superstar and not trading one yourself (assuming the star player you are getting is legit and not someone like Amare or Melo).

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mannycoon wrote:

This is why it is ok trade away tons of assets for a superstar player like Paul, because it allows to pickup guys like Martin who never would have signed with the Clippers otherwise and is better than anyone we traded other than Gordon.  It is almost impossible to trade too much if you're getting superstar and not trading one yourself (assuming the star player you are getting is legit and not someone like Amare or Melo).

That's why I would give up anything not named "Paul" or "Griffin" for Dwight Howard.

Amare and Melo.................LOL @ the Knicks.

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mannycoon wrote:

This is why it is ok trade away tons of assets for a superstar player like Paul, because it allows to pickup guys like Martin who never would have signed with the Clippers otherwise and is better than anyone we traded other than Gordon.  It is almost impossible to trade too much if you're getting superstar and not trading one yourself (assuming the star player you are getting is legit and not someone like Amare or Melo).

I would certainly agree that having Paul greatly influences all signings however that being said, would you have traded the Minny pick for Martin? I would have to disagree with you that only Gordon was a better asset because the Minny pick was as well. 

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So we've dumped Baron, Irving?, Aminu, Kaman and EJ and got CP3, Billups, Caron, Mo and K-Mart

CP3>>EJ

Billups>>Baron

Caron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aminu

Mo=Irving (although I'd take the vet with the team we have now and Mo is playing great)

KMart=Kaman

Yes we gave up the Minny pick but the way Minny is playing and the fact there are some absolutely terrible teams out there it looks like they may get a 10-14 pick.   All of the real star players would be gone and I bet a few of those guys stay in school for another year anyway.  At this point the Minny pick doesn't mean too much.

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JR Smith = Minny pick

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So we've dumped Baron, Irving?, Aminu, Kaman and EJ and got CP3, Billups, Caron, Mo and K-Mart

CP3>>EJ

Billups>>Baron

Caron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aminu

Mo=Irving (although I'd take the vet with the team we have now and Mo is playing great)

KMart=Kaman

Yes we gave up the Minny pick but the way Minny is playing and the fact there are some absolutely terrible teams out there it looks like they may get a 10-14 pick.   All of the real star players would be gone and I bet a few of those guys stay in school for another year anyway.  At this point the Minny pick doesn't mean too much.

+1

I would also add Reggie Evans..........he probably wouldn't have signed with us for a min deal if we didn't have CP3, Blake, Chauncey, Caron, etc.

You're probably looking at a guy like Terrance Jones with the MIN pick now, the pick has lost a lot of value due to MIN's improvement (unless they just get lucky and win the lottery).

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Blake Griffin should win GM of the year. Yes, I said Blake Griffin.

Without him we never would have had guys like CP3, Chaucey, Caron and KMart wanting to play here. If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

Not it is just snowballing and soon we'll start getting hall of famers at the end of their career who want to chase a ring. I predict we could get Nash or Pierce next year on a vet minimum contract. You heard it here first!

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Blake Griffin should win GM of the year. Yes, I said Blake Griffin.

This statement is both rediculous and true at the same time.

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I would certainly agree that having Paul greatly influences all signings however that being said, would you have traded the Minny pick for Martin? I would have to disagree with you that only Gordon was a better asset because the Minny pick was as well. 

I wasn't talking so much about asset value as much as actual value on the court value this year.  I wouldn't have traded it for Martin, but short term Martin is better and becoming a desirable destination makes it possible to continue adding similar or better players, so that over the life of the draft picks rookie contract we could very reasonably get similar if not better production from whoever we bring in, especially now that is becoming apparent Minnesota isn't terrible this year.  If we could get someone of Smith's caliber for the MLE next year that would easily be worth the pick. 

I was always more in favor of trading the pick than most people though, immediate value is almost always better than similar future value, this is why in the NFL draft you sometimes see teams trade current second round picks for future first round picks.  I'm happy that pick was overvalued though, as we may not have been able to get Paul otherwise.

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Now we have six...six former All-Stars! Bwa ha ha!!!!

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BTW, Martin's 2.5 mill is NOT pro-rated.  That does not apply to exceptions until Feb. 10.

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BTW, Martin's 2.5 mill is NOT pro-rated.  That does not apply to exceptions until Feb. 10.

Glad it's Sterling's money not mine.

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Here is the latest on JR Smith from ESPN (no mention of the Clippers):

UPDATE: According to Yahoo! Sports, the Lakers, Spurs and a few other contending teams have interest in Smith, too.

Smith appears to have his eye on the Knicks and Lakers as he tweeted Friday: "How many people does the Garden seat? ... How many people does staples seat?"

-- Nick Borges

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UPDATE: With Martin's return to the NBA imminent, it looks like the Knicks will focus more on Smith.

From Howard Beck of The New York Times: "Continue to hear that Knicks' interest in Martin is modest, at best. Won't do backflips to get him. More interest in Smith."

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Once J.R. Smith's season ends in China, he'll be up for free agency again in the NBA.

And might the Knicks be a fit?

Smith tweeted this Thursday (via): "I wonder what it's like to play on broadway?"

The Knicks have struggled shooting the ball this season, and Smith could certainly help in that department.

However, the team is reportedly after Kenyon Martin, another NBA player in China, and only has the mini-midlevel exception of $2.5 million to offer.

If the Knicks gave such an offer to Martin and he accepts, Smith might go elsewhere instead of playing on the veteran's minimum in New York if the team eventually does show interest.

-- Ryan Corazza

 

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

And we should thank our lucky stars that didn't happen!

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funny thing about trapps post is that when he refers to how many people does staples fit?he was referring to the clippers...

if you look at his other previous posts he also asks what he would look like in red white and blue...and also another time asks what he would look like in a clippers uniform..he also was writing to a friend asking if they saw the clippers play yet...

to me if i was jr smith id seriously consider coming to la to be a clipper...he would come off the bench this year but next year i wouldnt be surprised if he started at the 2 for us..

the only thing that i think would be troubling is new york could probably offer more money...and he has a ny tattoo..haha

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ESPN Sports Center just reported it too (1030am). KMart is now a Clipper!!! A great backup for DJ and Blake Griffin. Evans could still be a force when both Griffin and DJ are on the bench. Now, we just need a quality backup for SF Butler. Gomes is a bust.

 

           I agree, but let me suggest he should be a stretch  big guard now, that can play SF to solidify our bench; which is our weakness.. We need a good wing man and defensive stopper that is 6' 5" - 6'  8", or a Long arm 6'  4" player. we are actually playing Gomes more and more, because of our lack of a wing player.. Looks to be our only true need before our playoff run... Billups and Foye are our two go to wing defenders, Billups is slowing down, and Foye  can be good and bad. Most championship teams have this lock down wing defender. Becomes real evident and needed in the playoffs.

 

           Let me remind our Clippers fans, that in the playoffs are almost always going  into a  grind out  half court defensive game, which will expose any weakness in your  half court defense. We have a weakness in wing defenders in my opinion, which needs to be addressed.   Who would you want guarding Kobe in Western Conference finals; defending a final shot for a Clipper win ? {#emotions_dlg.wink_smile}

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From JR Smith's Twitter:

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How many people does staples seat?

 

J.R. Smith, who on Wednesday dropped 60 points in a Chinese league game, hitting 14 of 18 3-pointers. Smith is considering the Knicks, Clippers, Lakers, Thunder and Bulls, league sources told SNY.tv.

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“The Clippers are probably the best place for [Martin] to showcase himself for his next deal,” one rival front-office executive said. “He’s clearly the third-best [big man] without competition from anyone on their roster.”

 
 
I hope the other players on the team, realize that quote wasn't from Martin himself.  Well, great value signing and just what we need.  He was the best of the available free agents and the Clippers got him.  I'm not to conserned about the backup SF or SG, bigs are more important.  If we lose Billups next year, I would like to find a way to get JR Smith or Mayo. 
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CorkScrew wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

And we should thank our lucky stars that didn't happen!

 

Cmon now. Griffin and Lebron on the same team? We are the champions my friends. 

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Excited to see what Kmart has left in his tank. Bigs can last longer than guards. It'll take a few weeks forthis t. Get into shape but I can see 10-6 in 15 minutes a night.

Reggie and Kmart can both sub for the 4 and 5.

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Kenyon Martin Hollinger Stats

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SEASON FG% FT% P/40 R/40 A/40 TS% AST TO USG REB PER
'02-'03 .470 .653 19.5 9.7 2.8 51.1 11.3 11.8 22.8 13.9 16.83
'03-'04 .488 .684 19.3 11.0 2.8 52.8 11.8 12.4 22.4 16.2 18.76
'04-'05 .490 .646 19.1 9.0 3.0 52.1 12.5 10.9 21.4 13.0 17.51
'05-'06 .495 .712 18.6 9.1 2.0 53.3 9.6 8.7 19.2 13.3 16.75
'06-'07 .500 .250 12.1 12.7 0.6 44.6 3.7 18.3 16.2 18.2 5.50
'07-'08 .538 .580 16.2 8.5 1.7 55.3 9.2 9.4 15.7 11.5 14.77
'08-'09 .491 .604 14.6 7.5 2.5 52.3 13.6 10.7 16.2 10.9 13.66
'09-'10 .456 .557 13.4 11.0 2.2 48.1 12.2 10.2 16.2 15.9 13.48
'10-'11 .511 .583 13.4 9.6 3.5 52.6 19.4 10.5 15.3 13.9 14.20
'11-'12 (Projected) .475.57111.89.43.249.018.911.014.313.612.25

+ Tough, undersized power forward with explosive leaping ability.

+ Good defender and shot-blocker. Runs floor well. Flamboyant dunker.

+ Limited post game and ball skills. Mediocre shooter with low release.

Martin missed 34 games recovering from yet another knee injury, but had enough bounce in his step when he came back to shoot 71.3 percent in the basket area. Martin also has become a lot more comfortable playing out of the high post than in the past, as you can see from the jump in his assist ratio -- last season he was third among power forward in pure point rating. Alas, that comfort doesn't extend to shooting. Martin still fires blanks from the perimeter, making only 30.6 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet with his below-the-chin line-drive wrist flick. Similarly, he shot an unacceptable 58.3 percent at the line, and despite his finishing skills he rarely drew fouls.

Martin retains defensive value despite being undersized, having microfracture surgery on both knees and missing the first part of last season recovering from a torn patella. Basketballvalue.com indicates the Nuggets were 3.47 points per 100 possessions better on defense with him on the court, and he was 12th among power forwards in steals per minute.

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Firemillen wrote:

CorkScrew wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

And we should thank our lucky stars that didn't happen!

 

Cmon now. Griffin and Lebron on the same team? We are the champions my friends. 

If we had signed LeBron and Blake came back strong, we could have amnestied Baron and still made the trade for CP3. CP3 belongs to LeBron's marketing company, LRMR. Now that is a championship team!

I know this can go on forever playing the what if game. I'll offer thanks to Elton Brand. If he hadn't bailed on the team at the last minute, we never would have sucked in 08-09, which would have prevented us from getting the #1 pick. Three years later we would have been treated to this nightly serenade from Lawler: "Baron dumps it in to Elton. Elton gets double teamed and kicks it back to Baron. Baron with the 3....rebound [opposing team]." To paraphrase Charles Barkley: "Eric Gordon is rolling over in his grave."

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If we had signed LeBron and Blake came back strong, we could have amnestied Baron and still made the trade for CP3. CP3 belongs to LeBron's marketing company, LRMR. Now that is a championship team!

That's a lot of ifs. But it's reasonable to assume, at least in retrospect, that the choice is Lebron or CP3. And in my view, there is not a moment of hesitation when I say I hugely prefer CP3.

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Firemillen wrote:

CorkScrew wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

And we should thank our lucky stars that didn't happen!

 

Cmon now. Griffin and Lebron on the same team? We are the champions my friends. 

If we had signed LeBron and Blake came back strong, we could have amnestied Baron and still made the trade for CP3. CP3 belongs to LeBron's marketing company, LRMR. Now that is a championship team!

I know this can go on forever playing the what if game. I'll offer thanks to Elton Brand. If he hadn't bailed on the team at the last minute, we never would have sucked in 08-09, which would have prevented us from getting the #1 pick. Three years later we would have been treated to this nightly serenade from Lawler: "Baron dumps it in to Elton. Elton gets double teamed and kicks it back to Baron. Baron with the 3....rebound [opposing team]." To paraphrase Charles Barkley: "Eric Gordon is rolling over in his grave."

Lol.

Cmon now, give the frontcourt some credit.

Jordan has the 16th best offensive rebound rate over the last 3.5 years.  And Brand was a good offensive rebounder too.

They would have gotten the offensive rebound.  Laughing

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Firemillen wrote:

CorkScrew wrote:

ClipperSisyphus wrote:

If he hadn't been hurt his rookie year, we might have been able to convince LeBron to play here.

And we should thank our lucky stars that didn't happen!

 

Cmon now. Griffin and Lebron on the same team? We are the champions my friends. 

If we had signed LeBron and Blake came back strong, we could have amnestied Baron and still made the trade for CP3. CP3 belongs to LeBron's marketing company, LRMR. Now that is a championship team!

I know this can go on forever playing the what if game. I'll offer thanks to Elton Brand. If he hadn't bailed on the team at the last minute, we never would have sucked in 08-09, which would have prevented us from getting the #1 pick. Three years later we would have been treated to this nightly serenade from Lawler: "Baron dumps it in to Elton. Elton gets double teamed and kicks it back to Baron. Baron with the 3....rebound [opposing team]." To paraphrase Charles Barkley: "Eric Gordon is rolling over in his grave."

So should clipper fans give Elton an applause when he comes to town?

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ClipperSisyphus wrote:

Now we have six...six former All-Stars! Bwa ha ha!!!!

Bravo!

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So should clipper fans give Elton an applause when he comes to town?

a rousing, two minute standing ovation

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Why would The Knicks want JR Smith? He is a head case, and he cannot play defense. I would hate to see what the locker room is like right now. All that talent, and no defense. Anyway, I'm all for us getting a good wing defender. I'm all for trading Foye, Gomes, Cookie, or even Bledsoe if there is a quality defender out there.  I'm sure we're not really looking at JR Smith since his weakness is defense, according to Hollinger.

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Why would The Knicks want JR Smith? He is a head case, and he cannot play defense. I would hate to see what the locker room is like right now. All that talent, and no defense. Anyway, I'm all for us getting a good wing defender. I'm all for trading Foye, Gomes, Cookie, or even Bledsoe if there is a quality defender out there.  I'm sure we're not really looking at JR Smith since his weakness is defense, according to Hollinger.

According to Marc Stein's New Weekend dime, the Clippers first target was JR Smith but then they realized that someone to back up Blake was more important.

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JR Smith is good for us if we're looking for a scorer to backup Caron Butler. But he is a horrible defender. Maybe we could use JR Smith with Mo Wiiliams and Kenyon Martin in the 2nd unit, but we still need that wing defender. Maybe we could trade expiring contracts for one?

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Haro_78 wrote:

JR Smith is good for us if we're looking for a scorer to backup Caron Butler. But he is a horrible defender. Maybe we could use JR Smith with Mo Wiiliams and Kenyon Martin in the 2nd unit, but we still need that wing defender. Maybe we could trade expiring contracts for one?

Still don't understand why the Clippers didn't show any interest in Bogans who just signed with the Nets.

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I don't think Bogans is much of a defender either.  He has been in the league for a while though, from that same reputation.

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JR Swish provides good offense, but that's not what the Clippers need, they're already a top offensive team.  They need someone who can defend and rebound and is a low usage player.

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CP3 is the anti Lebron.

Lebron - Puts up stupid numbers and looks like Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan had a kid together for the 1st three quarters, gets scared and chokes @ the end.

CP3 -  Gets his teamates involve for the 1st three quarters, clutches up and takes over in the fourth.

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Blake Griffin should win GM of the year. Yes, I said Blake Griffin.

This statement is both rediculous and true at the same time.

 

              Lol....!    I have to agree with  Mr. ClipperSisyphus:   and say what I have said for a couple of years, that " Griffin ", will turn the Clippers into a draw for Free Agents..!  But  " GM of the year" might be a slight exaggeration..!   But Griffin could be the Honorary Assistant GM of the Year, who facilitated these changes..

 

              I know this is redundant and I do repeat myself; but it is still true that Clippers fans don't completely  know what they have in Griffin...The NBA " Top Players" all  do want to play with Griffin. Even D Howard, and I bet Kobe..!  Why..?  The two reasons, is that on the  floor in games, Griffin is the main man. CP3 is fantastic, but Griffin is the main power on the floor; and automatic double team, even against the Lakers..!  Griffin gets respect from even his adversaries, because  his physical prowess and size  is so great.. Even " M  Barns " of Lakers, did trash Griffin on the " Flop "  yet in the same breath did admit that Griffin and his  talent was amazing.. Griffin intimidates all NBA players..! Fact.

             The second reason is his relentless play, and never is enough work ethic to improve.. And his dedication to acknowledge his teammates for their play..  I cannot remember which Clipper fan Said it... But " Griffin wants to win every game". spoken about our up and coming road trip..  This is so true, Griffin is #1, as to " Hate to lose" .. but C|P3 is right there also as a " Hate to lose guy'.. But Griffin wants to and believes he can and should with hard work, win every game, or most..  Now this may be overly optimistic and verges on delusional to think he can...But I sure like the fact that he wants to, and is striving to " win them all. ".. He wants an undefeated season..!  Fat chance,, But you go for it Griffin..!~    

          You combine Griffins two " NBA draw Attributes for Free Agants"...  Physical intimidation on court respected by all.. and his tenaceous  work ethic and desire to win..And Griffin is the Honorary Clippers Asst, GM..!  At least in my opinion, which "  asst " GM, would make it more palatable for DT...! But for what has happened, It's " effect and cause".

          Did you see " Perkins face"..  Ask any NBA player about Griffin; they all respect and are in awe of his play, including all coach's and staff..The only, and I mean only people who still question Griffin as to his value, play and even Defense; Are club fans in the NBA,, This includes Clippers fans..!  Never, ever will NBA players trash  Griffins play or even defense.. Never ever will you hear a coach, complain about Griffins play or defense.

         As to Clippers future;  Griffin is the "Golden Goose" . none of this would of happen without him.    Oops, torture time   Coolover..!        

         

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Now we have six...six former All-Stars! Bwa ha ha!!!!

Bravo!

 

             Wow Great post......Braa ha ha, I'm going to drink your blood..!

      As to title,,, how about  6 former All-Stars, and two current  All-Stars starters...!   {#emotions_dlg.devil_smile}

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